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JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - EndtheMadnessNow - 09-09-2023
Another JFK whodunit book recently released, for free.
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Motive, Means, and Opportunity: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved!
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RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - 727Sky - 09-12-2023
No magic bullet..It was certainly a different time back then as most believed the government statements no matter how ridiculous... Only many years later do most realize just what a pack of lying subversive idiots, who had their own agenda, were running the show... and all show it was...
Quote:EXPLOSIVE! New details in the JFK assassination, and now RFK, JR. is responding. On Saturday, 88-year-old former secret service agent Paul Landis gave an exclusive interview with The New York Times where he shared he shared his revelations regarding what happened November 22, 1963. And it turns out he's the one that picked up the magic bullet from the back of the President's limo. This completely upends the story around the magic bullet and undermines The Warren Commission.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - 727Sky - 09-13-2023
Very well recreation of the assassination.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - Michigan Swamp Buck - 09-13-2023
Sixty years after the fact, after all the speculation and conspiracy theories, after the books and documentaries, this subject has gotten very little attention esp. now with this information.
For me, this ties in with the 911 chatter on this anniversary just passed from an event a mere 22 years ago, not much and little on the conspiracy theories. Forget Ruby Ridge, Waco, or Oklahoma too, as all of it goes into the memory void. Go back to the 19th century and all that history is long gone, forget Wounded Knee or Sherman's march to the sea, or what the hell, let's just "Forget the Alamo" too.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - F2d5thCav - 09-13-2023
"Forget the Alamo!"
It has a certain ring to it
Cheers
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 09-13-2023
There are 'things'... strange peripheral instances that have never made sense with the JFK killing to me and here's
one of them.
As the Dallas Police were milling about in Dealey Plaza and the latest updates on the radio were still that John Kennedy
had been shot, an elderly garage mechanic was going about his tasks at the Mack Pate’s Garage across the street to the
El Chico restaurant in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
Mr T.F White was sixty years-old and hearing Police sirens screaming up and down Davis Street, he looked up from his
work on an automobile and noticed a 1958 two tone Plymouth sedan in the Mexican restaurant's carpark just behind a
billboard. Curious that someone was sitting in the car, Mr White ambled over to ask what was going on.
The man glanced at the old mechanic approaching him and gunning the engine, sped out and left White standing there
with his questions unanswered. However, being in the motor trade, White wrote down the license tag of the Plymouth.
It was PP4537.
As the Police cars raced to the scene where Officer J.D. Tippitt had been murdered only minutes ago, he went back to
finishing his afternoon under the hood of latest patient. But when watching TV in the evening, T.F White saw the man
again who'd left El Chico restaurant's lot in a hurry. The television said his name was Lee Harvey Oswald.
A week later, when Dallas radio reporter and later mayor of Dallas Mr Wes Wise gave a talk at the Oak Cliff restaurant.
The owner of the garage where Mr. White worked mentioned the suspicious Plymouth to Wise and intrigued, Wes Wise
met with the mechanic to verify what he'd witnessed.
Not wishing to be involved, the old man was reluctant to explain further about the two tone Plymouth sedan, but Wise
pushed him by assuring him that his name would never be revealed and then asking if he still had the piece of paper
with the license number on it. Reaching into his overall pocket, the radio reporter accepted the scrap of paper. PP4537.
Wes Wise contacted the Dallas Police and gave them the information, they passed it on to the FBI. With a quick check
of the Texas plate 'PP4537' indicated that it belonged to one Carl Amos Mather, 4309 Colgate Street of Garland, Texas.
When the FBI went out to the listed Garland address they found the two-tone 1958 Plymouth right there in the driveway
and knocked on the door.
Mrs. Mather came to the door and acknowledged the car belonged to her husband, who was then away at work at Collins
Radio in nearby Richardson, Texas. The FBI asked where her husband and the car was on Friday, November 22, 1963 and
she replied that the vehicle would've been in the parking lot at Collins Radio until sometime in the afternoon until her
husband returned home.
Mrs Mather added that her husband had picked up his family on that day to go to the Tippit residence to pay their respects
to the widow and family of their good friend, who was murdered that day.
One would think that Federal Officers would then interview Carl Mather for further information, wouldn't you?
Nope, instead of going out to Collins Radio to visit Mather, the FBI went to Mr. White -the elderly mechanic, who Wise
had promised wouldn’t be involved. They took additional statements from him and for some strange reason, changed his
account from a two-tone Plymouth to a red Ford Falcon.
It's strange that the Feds didn't realise that the repairer of cars would certainly know the difference between a Plymouth
and a Ford!
You won't find any mention of this in the Warren Commission, considering Carl Mather worked on electronics at Collins
Radio and his specific job being the installation of the radio equipment aboard Air Force Two, the then Vice President
Johnson’s plane!
......................................................
Collins Radio was founded by Arthur Collins of Cedar Rapids, Iowa and a good friend of General Emerson LeMay.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - EndtheMadnessNow - 09-13-2023
(09-13-2023, 08:13 PM)BIAD Wrote: There are 'things'... strange peripheral instances that have never made sense with the JFK killing to me and here's
one of them.
As the Dallas Police were milling about in Dealey Plaza and the latest updates on the radio were still that John Kennedy
had been shot, an elderly garage mechanic was going about his tasks at the Mack Pate’s Garage across the street to the
El Chico restaurant in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
Mr T.F White was sixty years-old and hearing Police sirens screaming up and down Davis Street, he looked up from his
work on an automobile and noticed a 1958 two tone Plymouth sedan in the Mexican restaurant's carpark just behind a
billboard. Curious that someone was sitting in the car, Mr White ambled over to ask what was going on.
The man glanced at the old mechanic approaching him and gunning the engine, sped out and left White standing there
with his questions unanswered. However, being in the motor trade, White wrote down the license tag of the Plymouth.
It was PP4537.
As the Police cars raced to the scene where Officer J.D. Tippitt had been murdered only minutes ago, he went back to
finishing his afternoon under the hood of latest patient. But when watching TV in the evening, T.F White saw the man
again who'd left El Chico restaurant's lot in a hurry. The television said his name was Lee Harvey Oswald.
A week later, when Dallas radio reporter and later mayor of Dallas Mr Wes Wise gave a talk at the Oak Cliff restaurant.
The owner of the garage where Mr. White worked mentioned the suspicious Plymouth to Wise and intrigued, Wes Wise
met with the mechanic to verify what he'd witnessed.
Not wishing to be involved, the old man was reluctant to explain further about the two tone Plymouth sedan, but Wise
pushed him by assuring him that his name would never be revealed and then asking if he still had the piece of paper
with the license number on it. Reaching into his overall pocket, the radio reporter accepted the scrap of paper. PP4537.
Wes Wise contacted the Dallas Police and gave them the information, they passed it on to the FBI. With a quick check
of the Texas plate 'PP4537' indicated that it belonged to one Carl Amos Mather, 4309 Colgate Street of Garland, Texas.
When the FBI went out to the listed Garland address they found the two-tone 1958 Plymouth right there in the driveway
and knocked on the door.
Mrs. Mather came to the door and acknowledged the car belonged to her husband, who was then away at work at Collins
Radio in nearby Richardson, Texas. The FBI asked where her husband and the car was on Friday, November 22, 1963 and
she replied that the vehicle would've been in the parking lot at Collins Radio until sometime in the afternoon until her
husband returned home.
Mrs Mather added that her husband had picked up his family on that day to go to the Tippit residence to pay their respects
to the widow and family of their good friend, who was murdered that day.
One would think that Federal Officers would then interview Carl Mather for further information, wouldn't you?
Nope, instead of going out to Collins Radio to visit Mather, the FBI went to Mr. White -the elderly mechanic, who Wise
had promised wouldn’t be involved. They took additional statements from him and for some strange reason, changed his
account from a two-tone Plymouth to a red Ford Falcon.
It's strange that the Feds didn't realise that the repairer of cars would certainly know the difference between a Plymouth
and a Ford!
You won't find any mention of this in the Warren Commission, considering Carl Mather worked on electronics at Collins
Radio and his specific job being the installation of the radio equipment aboard Air Force Two, the then Vice President
Johnson’s plane!
......................................................
Collins Radio was founded by Arthur Collins of Cedar Rapids, Iowa and a good friend of General Emerson LeMay.
WoW, good stuff. Especially last two lines! Never heard that one before.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 09-15-2023
(09-13-2023, 11:33 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: WoW, good stuff. Especially last two lines! Never heard that one before.
Oh, there's more!
In his younger days, Arthur Collins was an amateur radio buff in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and made news headlines
when his homemade receiver picked up radio transmissions of Navy Commander Richard E. Byrd from his polar
exploration expedition. Byrd -as many know, is the cousin of the founder of the Civil Air Patrol and owner of the
Texas School Book Depository building.
Later on, Arthur's radio company became a major defence contractor during World War II and following the war,
participated in Operation Paperclip. Collins Radio hired Dr. Alex Lipisch, the former Nazi scientist who developed
the Delta I glider and ME 163 Komet jet fighter. 1963 was a good year for Collins Radio, as it began to receive
large military contracts including one for the construction of a microwave communications network in Southeast
Asia, specifically Vietnam.
At Collins' request, Dr. Lipisch was assigned to the boat development program that worked with General Dynamics
-a strange tangent for a business based around radio communication, but due to Collins' company now a good friend
of the CIA, Lipisch was instructed to build and refine a fast speedboat to be used for the Central Intelligence Agency's
Cuban infiltration missions. This craft (V20) was later used in Vietnam.
In November of 1963, Collins Radio Company of Richardson Texas leased a ship called 'Rex' for supposedly scientific
research in the Caribbean Sea and the Bahamas. The Rex was originally owned by he Somoza regime in Nicaragua
to the Belcher Oil Company of Florida, with its dock fees being paid by the CIA front company 'Sea Ship Inc'.
On November 1, 1963 the New York Times published a front page photograph of the ship the Rex, which Fidel Castro
identified as the boat that dropped off a team of assassins in Cuba a few nights previous. The ship had been docked
at Palm Beach, Florida, near the JFK family compound. The Rex’s Halloween-eve mission was in clear violation of
President Kennedy’s March 1963 edict that no para-military raids against Cuba were to originate from U.S. shores.
Quite a straying from radios!
To further add intrigue to the JFK puzzle, when David Ferrie’s pre-assassination telephone records were scrutinsed, it
was discovered that Ferrie had made frequent calls from the New Orleans law office of G. Ray Gill to the Belcher Oil
Company, the company that was the listed owner of the Rex.
When Lee Harvey Oswald returned to Texas from Soviet Russia, George DeMohrenschildt introduced him to retired
Navy Admiral Chester Bruton, an executive at Collins Radio. Due to Oswald's previous employment at a radio factory
in Minsk, DeMohrenschildt had suggested Collins Radio would be an appropriate place to work now back in the USA.
At the time of the assassination Admiral Bruton was working on a top-secret nuclear submarine communications project
for Collins with the Navy’s nuclear sub radar and communications HQ being based at Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
The Woods Hole institute was responsible for locating the wreckage of the USS Thresher, that sunk on April 10, 1963,
the day Oswald is accused of shooting Gen. Walker.
Woods Hole is close to Michael Paine’s Forbes family island that Allen Dulles’ mistress and OSS operative Mary Bancroft
had visited, and where Michael’s wife Ruth Hyde Paine was in residence when she wrote to Marina Oswald to ask her to
move in with her in Dallas.
Curiously, after Oswald was murdered by Jack Ruby, his widow Marina Oswald married former Collins Radio employee
Kenneth Porter. In Miami, Florida, a Cuban exile and Collins Radio executive was murdered in a still unsolved homicide.
Collins Radio would go on and supply and maintain the equipment used by the Voice of America, all the manned NASA
space flights, the Strategic Air Command (SAC) as well as all equipment used for the CIA’s Guatemalan and Cuban
operations.
According to the Collins Radio Annual Report to stockholders for 1963-64, Collins Radio not only installed and maintained
the radios aboard most military and executive branch planes, they also operated the relay station known as "Liberty" at their
Cedar Rapids, Iowa headquarters, This Base would serve as the relay station for all radio communications between the White
House, the Pentagon, Air Force One, Air Force Two, the Cabinet plane and Andrews AFB in Washington.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 09-15-2023
I know 727Sky said it, but it must be stated again...
The wonderous path of the CE399 bullet travels from the rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD)
into the back of the president, exits his throat, enters John Connally, breaks a few ribs, exits Connally, passes
through his wrist, breaking more bones and leaving fragments, then lodges in his thigh.
Now in 2023, 88 year old retired Secret Service agent Paul Landis explains that in the immediate aftermath of the
assassination he found a full, intact bullet on the back seat of the limo where the President had been sitting.
Picking it up, Landis put it in his pocket and then walked into the Emergency Room and left the bullet on
President Kennedy's stretcher.
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Paul Landis.
You at the back... stop laughing.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - xuenchen - 09-15-2023
Trivia Question:
How many Presidents rode in the Limo that Kennedy was shot in?
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 09-16-2023
(09-15-2023, 11:50 PM)xuenchen Wrote: Trivia Question:
How many Presidents rode in the Limo that Kennedy was shot in?
I genuinely tried to resist Googling for the answer, I really did. Because I'd thought the limo had been
dismantled and upgraded. Is it really the same vehicle then?
'...Presidents Nixon and Ford rode in it as did Lyndon Johnson, who was two cars behind Kennedy that day in Dallas.'
(CBS)
But the Daily Mail says:
'...The 1961 Lincoln limo served Presidents Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter.'
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - ABNARTY - 09-17-2023
(09-13-2023, 08:13 PM)BIAD Wrote: There are 'things'... strange peripheral instances that have never made sense with the JFK killing to me and here's
one of them.
As the Dallas Police were milling about in Dealey Plaza and the latest updates on the radio were still that John Kennedy
had been shot, an elderly garage mechanic was going about his tasks at the Mack Pate’s Garage across the street to the
El Chico restaurant in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
Mr T.F White was sixty years-old and hearing Police sirens screaming up and down Davis Street, he looked up from his
work on an automobile and noticed a 1958 two tone Plymouth sedan in the Mexican restaurant's carpark just behind a
billboard. Curious that someone was sitting in the car, Mr White ambled over to ask what was going on.
The man glanced at the old mechanic approaching him and gunning the engine, sped out and left White standing there
with his questions unanswered. However, being in the motor trade, White wrote down the license tag of the Plymouth.
It was PP4537.
As the Police cars raced to the scene where Officer J.D. Tippitt had been murdered only minutes ago, he went back to
finishing his afternoon under the hood of latest patient. But when watching TV in the evening, T.F White saw the man
again who'd left El Chico restaurant's lot in a hurry. The television said his name was Lee Harvey Oswald.
A week later, when Dallas radio reporter and later mayor of Dallas Mr Wes Wise gave a talk at the Oak Cliff restaurant.
The owner of the garage where Mr. White worked mentioned the suspicious Plymouth to Wise and intrigued, Wes Wise
met with the mechanic to verify what he'd witnessed.
Not wishing to be involved, the old man was reluctant to explain further about the two tone Plymouth sedan, but Wise
pushed him by assuring him that his name would never be revealed and then asking if he still had the piece of paper
with the license number on it. Reaching into his overall pocket, the radio reporter accepted the scrap of paper. PP4537.
Wes Wise contacted the Dallas Police and gave them the information, they passed it on to the FBI. With a quick check
of the Texas plate 'PP4537' indicated that it belonged to one Carl Amos Mather, 4309 Colgate Street of Garland, Texas.
When the FBI went out to the listed Garland address they found the two-tone 1958 Plymouth right there in the driveway
and knocked on the door.
Mrs. Mather came to the door and acknowledged the car belonged to her husband, who was then away at work at Collins
Radio in nearby Richardson, Texas. The FBI asked where her husband and the car was on Friday, November 22, 1963 and
she replied that the vehicle would've been in the parking lot at Collins Radio until sometime in the afternoon until her
husband returned home.
Mrs Mather added that her husband had picked up his family on that day to go to the Tippit residence to pay their respects
to the widow and family of their good friend, who was murdered that day.
One would think that Federal Officers would then interview Carl Mather for further information, wouldn't you?
Nope, instead of going out to Collins Radio to visit Mather, the FBI went to Mr. White -the elderly mechanic, who Wise
had promised wouldn’t be involved. They took additional statements from him and for some strange reason, changed his
account from a two-tone Plymouth to a red Ford Falcon.
It's strange that the Feds didn't realise that the repairer of cars would certainly know the difference between a Plymouth
and a Ford!
You won't find any mention of this in the Warren Commission, considering Carl Mather worked on electronics at Collins
Radio and his specific job being the installation of the radio equipment aboard Air Force Two, the then Vice President
Johnson’s plane!
......................................................
Collins Radio was founded by Arthur Collins of Cedar Rapids, Iowa and a good friend of General Emerson LeMay.
I have always found it odd about Oswald getting a job at the book warehouse. How did he know that's where the motorcade would pass by in the next month?
Then he bought a rifle (well designed for such a shot from that specific location) 6 months ahead of time.
He didn't make a bomb. Didn't get a pistol to shoot him up close. nope. Everything just lied up.
Sure. It all be coincidence or handy opportunity, but that seems a stretch for me.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 09-17-2023
(09-17-2023, 05:28 PM)ABNARTY Wrote: I have always found it odd about Oswald getting a job at the book warehouse. How did he know that's where the motorcade would pass by in the next month?
Then he bought a rifle (well designed for such a shot from that specific location) 6 months ahead of time.
He didn't make a bomb. Didn't get a pistol to shoot him up close. nope. Everything just lied up.
Sure. It all be coincidence or handy opportunity, but that seems a stretch for me.
The notion that Oswald bought the mail-order rifle with a fake name from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago
and then had it delivered to a PO box under his real name has never been explained. The weapon wasn't
the one Oswald saw in an advertisement, but they sent it along with an attached scope he'd requested.
Oswald did order a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 Special revolver from Seaport Traders
of Los Angeles. Again, using the name A. J. Hidell.
These and a lot of other factors went in to make Oswald's opportunity a coincidence!
But what gets me are the constant remarks that he had no money!
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - A51Watcher2 - 09-21-2023
3 shots from a bolt action rifle in the book depository?
I don't think so.
https://grandsubversion.com/jfkAssassination/audio/shots/4Shots.wav
As you can hear it was actually 4.
And they were grouped in twos, the second pair very close together, much too fast for a bolt action.
Now move along nothing to see here folks.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 09-23-2023
Just as a sidenote, Kennedy's Press Secretary Pierre Salinger (who also starred in an episode of Batman!) mentioned in
his book that when he and the rest of Kennedy's cabinet heard via commercial radio of the shooting during their trip to Japan,
Secretary of State Dean Rusk instructed Salinger to contact the White House on the Executive plane's radio and relate that
the group would be diverting to Dallas.
One must note that during such delicate situations, code names are often designated and for Salinger, he went under the
moniker 'Wayside'.
After a short conversation with the White House Situation Room, Salinger returned to Rusk and informed him that they were
to fly to Andrews Air Force Base in Washington. When Dean Rusk asked who the Press Secretary (Salinger) had spoken to,
Pierre replied someone called 'Stranger'. Wishing to discover out the real name of this unknown person in the basement of the
White House, the ruffled Secretary of State went to the aircraft's safe where the code books were kept for such trying times.
These essential manuals include instructions for the Strategic Air Command (SAC) B-52 bomber defence system and the
procedures of utilising nuclear armaments if it is deemed the US is under attack. Obviously, strict sequences are required for
a B-52's release of these devastating weapons would be required and code names for everything would be a fundamental part
of the practice.
However, when Dean Rusk opened the plane's safe, the code book was missing and due to this abnormal incident, the
Secretary of State had to break security protocol to identify themselves. But what all those on that interrupted flight to a
conference regarding Vietnam were unaware of was that ALL the code books in the respective safes on the B-52 bombers
in the air at that moment had also been removed.
The person in the White House Situation Room code-named 'Stranger' turned out to be Major Harold Patterson and as the
media rushed to explain who they believed was the assassin of John Kennedy, a subordinate to Major Patterson relayed to
Pierre Salinger what he was told to relate in regards of what they knew at that time.
This person was US Navy officer Oliver Hallett and during the information coming out of the commercial radio news-wire
service about the killing in Dealey Plaza, Hallett recognised the name of Lee Harvey Oswald. When Oswald was in the US
embassy in Moscow handing over his passport and announcing his defection, Oliver Hallett was the Naval attache and
actually in the room when Oswald explained his intent. Hallett's wife was also a secretary in the Embassy at the time
of the incident.
Another coincidence!
..............................................
So all the official code books to launch a nuclear retaliation against a possible attack had been removed from the B-52s in the
skies during the assassination. Why?
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - Snarl - 09-23-2023
So many 'coincidences' and odd links/relationships.
Probably better the fiction we've all been head-faked by.
It's likely Kennedy would have been the best President in our lifetimes. I guess he had to go.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 10-02-2023
(09-23-2023, 11:18 AM)Snarl Wrote: So many 'coincidences' and odd links/relationships...
Back in the day when we had Reporters instead of the upmarket 'Journalists' we endure now, a woman working for
United Press International got the opportunity to interview a pre-assassination Lee Harvey Oswald about his reasons
for defecting to the Soviet Union.
“I am a Marxist,” Oswald told Aline Mosby of the UPI, “...I became interested about the age of 15. An old lady handed
me a pamphlet about saving the Rosenbergs. I still remember that pamphlet... I don’t know why. Then we moved to
North Dakota." Oswald continued with his boasting "... I discovered one book in the library, ‘Das Kapital.’ It was what
I’d been looking for. It was like a very religious man opening the Bible the first time.”
During the Warren Commission, Aline Mosby's story was presented and the words “North Dakota” (N.D) had been
changed to “New Orleans” (N.O). An alteration that remains a mystery to this day.
This was confirmation that Alma Cole -a resident of Stanley, North Dakota was correct when she sent a letter to
President Lyndon Johnson three weeks after Kennedy's death claiming that a boy called Oswald had befriended
her son in the oil-booming town. Mrs Cole added that this youngster had bragged to her boy that 'someday he
was going to kill a president'.
The FBI checked with neighbours of Alma Cole to verify her claims and due to the fluctuating behaviour of people
working in oil fields at that time, most couldn't recall a boy of Oswald's description. However, Mrs Cole's son did
state that he remembered him as Harv or Harvey Oswald, and his description matched the age and traits of the
real Oswald as a teenager.
Years later, two researchers (John Delane Williams and Gary Severson) discovered a Tailor -Mr Lyle Aho, residing
in the city of Stanley, North Dakota who remembered an 'older boy' he got to know during the same time period
that Mrs Cole's son had been hanging around with 'Harv'.
This friend of Aho -who liked to be called 'Lee', had once asked him and another friend to go to Cuba and make
money. Lyle Aho added that Lee suggested they 'train' to be qualified to attain this unknown bounty, but never
enlarged on what sort of preparation this was. Mr Ado's friend was later contacted about this encounter by the
researchers, he said he remembered a teenager named Lee and also remembered the talk about Cuba and
that Lee was a fast talker.
North Dakota changed to New Orleans... odd indeed.
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - Snarl - 10-02-2023
(10-02-2023, 08:27 AM)BIAD Wrote:(09-23-2023, 11:18 AM)Snarl Wrote: So many 'coincidences' and odd links/relationships...
Mrs Cole added that this youngster had bragged to her boy that 'someday he
was going to kill a president'.
I 'wonder' what people would remember about me to some random journalist?
Muahahahahahahaha
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - putnam6 - 10-02-2023
(09-23-2023, 11:18 AM)Snarl Wrote: So many 'coincidences' and odd links/relationships.
Probably better the fiction we've all been head-faked by.
It's likely Kennedy would have been the best President in our lifetimes. I guess he had to go.
Seriously we were robbed of whatever JFK had in store for America and the world, I suppose it could be worse than this current timeline" but somehow I doubt it. Definitely think we were robbed of an RFK Presidency too if not in 68, perhaps later.
One reason RFKjr has my vote, we got to get back to that timeline lol
RE: JFK Assassination Mystery Solved - BIAD - 10-02-2023
On November 23, 1993, Robert G. Vinson told his strange story to news anchor Larry Hatteberg on Wichita’s KAKE-TV
Channel 10 News. His revealing account was due to Congress passing the JFK Records Act in 1992, which mandated
the disclosure of government records on John Robert Kennedy's assassination.
After Vinson consulted with his member of Congress -Representative Dan Glickman of Wichita, he was relieved that
the new law freed him from his secrecy agreement when it came to assassination information. This agreement was
due to his alleged unwanted affiliation with the Central Intelligence Agency.
True or just another trick of the CIA..? You decide.
....................................
U.S. Air Force sergeant Robert G. Vinson of the North American Air Defense Command was known by his NORAD
commanders as a mild-mannered subordinate who could be counted on not to raise troublesome questions. The
34 year-old had enjoyed a sixteen-year military career and even though he felt his current position at Ent Air Force
Base was satisfiable, Vinson's concern was growing on why his overdue promotion had somehow been delayed.
Sergeant Vinson had done sterling work where he served as Administrative Supervisor of the electronics division
and held a crypto security clearance, he and his wife Roberta could see no reason why his superiors had stalled
on his advancement. Parting from his usual amenable relationship with his commanders, Robert decided to take
matters into his own hands.
On the 20th of November 1963, Vinson flew to Washington D.C from Colorado Springs and met with a Colonel
Chapman in a basement office of the Capitol Building to sort out his deferred upgrade in rank. Robert recalled that
during their conversation, the telephone rang and Chapman -a liaison officer between Congress and the Pentagon,
answered it.
Colonel Chapman told the person on the other end of the line he “would highly recommend that the President not
go to Dallas, Texas, on Friday and cancel the trip because there had been something reported.” Unknown to the
Sergeant standing nearby, Chapman had already coordinated an advance group of Congressmen and they had
left the capital.
Vinson did not hear what the “something” was that moved Colonel Chapman to urge the last-second cancellation
of President Kennedy’s Dallas trip, but considering the discovery of a four-man sniper team in Chicago less than
three weeks earlier, one could suggest the liaison officer was being prudent -to say the least.
After repeating that the President should cancel his Dallas trip and finishing the call, Colonel Chapman returned
to Robert Vinson’s promotion query and referred him to an office at the Pentagon where he felt confident that a
a personnel officer there would check Vinson’s records. After offering a similar puzzlement to Robert at why
the Sergeant hadn’t been promoted, the personnel officer assured him their office would look into the situation.
....................................
Early on November 22, Sergeant Vinson took a bus to Andrews Air Force Base, where he planned to hitch a ride
home on the first available flight going to Colorado Springs or its vicinity. After discovering that there was nothing
scheduled that day for the Denver area from the airman at the Check-In counter, Vinson wrote his name and serial
number on the check-in sheet and asked the airman to let him know if any aircraft not on his list might be going
westwards.
Adding that he was going for breakfast in the cafeteria, Vinson left the counter with a slim hope that he'd be home
some time in the near future. Fifteen minutes later that ambition was strengthened when the Base's loudspeaker
paged him to return to the Check-In. Hurrying past the pointing airman and thanking him, Robert was informed
that a Douglas C-54 was about to depart for Lowry Air Force Base in Denver.
Racing towards the stationary propeller-driven cargo plane, Vinson noticed the C-54 bore no military markings or
even a serial number. Nearing the open door, he glanced at the odd identification emblazoned on the plane's tail.
A rust-brown graphic of an egg-shaped earth, crossed by white grid marks.
Inside the four-engine Skymaster was empty and taking a seat over the right wing, Sergeant Vinson observed
two men in olive drab coveralls walking around under the plane. After a short time, this pair of individuals who
sported no markings on their garments boarded the plane without speaking to their only passenger and took
their positions in the cockpit. The C-54's engines roared to life, the cockpit door was closed and Robert watched
as the big transport plane took to the air as he deliberated on the strange design on the tail outside.
In the few rides he had hitched a lift with the Air Force, a Crew Chief had always asked him to sign the log or
or some type of manifest. This flight had neither. Now flying the C-54 due west, Vinson wondered if his day
could possibly become more confusing.
Somewhere over Nebraska, Robert Vinson heard an unemotional voice relate a statement over the intercom that
would warrant the Sergeant's wondering of his time away from Denver “The president was shot at 12:29.”
Immediately after the passionless announcement was given, the unmarked C-54 banked left and headed south.
Unknown at that moment, Robert of Colorado Springs was going to Texas.
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Robert had been to Dallas before during his career and recognised its skyline. It was about 3:30 P.M. Central
Time when the big plane turned and came in over the city in a southeast direction. President Kennedy had been
pronounced dead one-and-a-half hours before and Lee Harvey Oswald was in the Dallas Police headquarters for
well-over an hour.
Through the window, Sergeant Vinson watched as the C-54 landed abruptly in a rough, sandy area alongside the
Trinity River and at once, he realised they hadn't used a regular runway. Beyond the right wing with its engines
still running, Vinson saw a tool shed of the type used by highway construction crews. Estimating the building to
be around four by six feet in size, he attempted to gather further information on where he exactly was.
It was a large open, sandy location with the Dallas skyline to the north. He could see low cliffs off to the distance
and then his surveyance was interrupted when he noticed two men running towards the C-54 away from a jeep.
This vehicle abruptly left the area as the pair of unknowns arrived beside the cargo plane and waited as one of
the pilots appeared and unlatched the passenger door.
It would only be later during Sergeant Robert G. Vinson's testimony to Wichita Civil Liberties Attorney, James
Johnston -after an interview with news anchor Larry Hatteberg on Wichita’s KAKE-TV Channel 10 News, would
he suggest that the makeshift airstrip was a flood plain between between Cadiz Street Viaduct and Corinth Street
Viaduct just south of downtown Dallas. James P. Johnston and journalist Jon Roe would go on and co-author the
book of Robert's experience that day, 'A Flight from Dallas'.
Red Circle: Dealey Plaza. Yellow Circle: Where Vinson believed the plane landed in Dallas.
Inset. Robert Vinson.
The two men entered the plane without a word to the only passenger, the pilot or each other and took a seated
position directly behind the cockpit. Wearing off-white, beige coveralls, a style used by highway workers, they
sat stoically as Robert covertly took in their appearance.
The taller of the two men -around six feet in height and possibly weighing one-hundred-and-eighty to one-hundred
-and-ninety pounds looked Latino and Sergeant Vinson believed this person was Cuban. The shorter man was
estimated to be about five-feet-seven to five-feet-nine and weighing about one-hundred -and-fifty to one-hundred
-and-sixty pounds. Vinson observed the man to be Caucasian and it would be the weekend after this strange trip
to Dallas that Robert -whilst watching the television about that fateful day with his wife, he would see his smaller
fellow-passenger on the plane. It was the arrested Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Believing the aircraft's destination was still Lowry Air Base in Denver, Sergeant Vinson peered wearily out of the small
window at the waning light. Dusk was coming and not long after, the plane began a decent to what he hoped was the
beginning of the end of this weird roundabout trip home.
With a mild bump, the Douglas C-54 came to rest in the gloom and its noisy engines were quickly shut off. However,
it wasn't just the propellers that were making haste as suddenly, the two airmen from the cockpit emerged, opened the
door and fled without a word. The silent passengers were hot on the pilots heels and they two exited the plane, leaving
Vinson alone in the empty darkness. “That was strange, very strange...” Vinson said years later in an interview.
“...I couldn’t understand why they were in such a rush. They just bailed out.”
Standing alone on the deserted air strip, Robert Vinson peered around in the darkness and felt his doubts increase that
he'd arrived at Lowry Air Base. Across the runway from the abandoned plane, he could see a building with lights in it
and sighing in his chagrin of being bounced across the country, the Sergeant hurried across the tarmac to see if anyone
was inside.
Surprised to find a solitary Air Policeman on duty in the illuminated structure, Robert introduced himself and asked
where he was. "You’re at Roswell Air Force Base in New Mexico” the AP said and brought forth more astonishment
from the man from Colorado Springs. “I thought I was going to Denver, Colorado. How can I get downtown and catch
a bus?” Vinson asked and breathed his annoyance through his nostrils. The Air Policeman informed the latest visitor
of the famous Air Base that he couldn’t go anywhere because the base was on alert. No one could come in or go out.
Initially confused that the C-54 had just landed without concern from those who had locked down the air field, Robert
wondered if the military's restriction of air traffic was due to the two pilots and the mute passengers of the plane he
had recently flown in and a need for them to arrive unseen. The AP advised the Sergeant that there was nothing for
him to do except take a seat in the waiting room until the alert was lifted. After a couple of hours, the same AP told
Vinson the alert was over and gave him directions to a bus stop
As Saturday November 23rd broke over the eastern horizon, Robert Vinson finally reached his original destination,
his home in Colorado Springs and the arms of wife, Roberta. It would be later in the day when the weary traveller
of the skies would tell his better-half about the strange excursion across the United States. After some deliberation,
they both agreed not to discuss it with anyone as the slaying of the President and the arrest of his murderer was
all over the newspapers and television.
That night, while they watched the coverage from Dallas on their little TV set, Robert suddenly shook his head in
disbelief. Turning to his wife, he said “That guy look just like the little guy who was on the airplane.” “Are you nuts?”
Roberta replied. “It couldn’t be him. He’s in jail.”
To be continued.