(11-30-2022, 12:32 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote: I don't have any links to provide, only my own personal experience. I have had something similar happen to me. It wasn't a family member of mine. It was some sort of entity from a house I lived in when I was in my teens.

I suffered a psychotic break living in that house. Severe depression. I was out sick from school with bronchitis for a month--the worst I had ever felt. I think, even after we moved, it followed me for years. I would have bouts of sleep paralysis and anxiety. 

It wasn't until rather recently that I attributed all of that to the being from that old house. And it seemed that once I realized that, I was able to notice a change in my dreams, when the sleep paralysis started to take hold. Dreams would go from normal to darker often becoming "chase" dreams. (I hate those)

I would "abort" my dreams, end them and wake up, snap myself out of the sleep paralysis. I think it was trying to feed on my fear like some sort of phobophagus. 

I got quite efficient at breaking out of the dreams. Slowly, little by little, the phobophagus seemed to have less of an effect on me. I found myself getting angry instead and telling it to leave me the hell alone. It wasn't going to scare me anymore. I was done.

One day, quite recently actually, I decided I was tired of running, of being the one to force myself to wake up and break the dream. I decided to face it instead.

When I did that, it turned into this sad melty pile of clay, like an old claymation cartoon until it was nothing.

Perhaps this family member of yours has turned into something similar (if that is even her and not something else entirely) and is gaining some sort of energy from you by affecting your dreams. If I were you, I'd tell it to find something else to eat.

(11-30-2022, 01:23 AM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 12:32 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote: I don't have any links to provide, only my own personal experience. I have had something similar happen to me. It wasn't a family member of mine. It was some sort of entity from a house I lived in when I was in my teens.

I suffered a psychotic break living in that house. Severe depression. I was out sick from school with bronchitis for a month--the worst I had ever felt. I think, even after we moved, it followed me for years. I would have bouts of sleep paralysis and anxiety. 

It wasn't until rather recently that I attributed all of that to the being from that old house. And it seemed that once I realized that, I was able to notice a change in my dreams, when the sleep paralysis started to take hold. Dreams would go from normal to darker often becoming "chase" dreams. (I hate those)

I would "abort" my dreams, end them and wake up, snap myself out of the sleep paralysis. I think it was trying to feed on my fear like some sort of phobophagus. 

I got quite efficient at breaking out of the dreams. Slowly, little by little, the phobophagus seemed to have less of an effect on me. I found myself getting angry instead and telling it to leave me the hell alone. It wasn't going to scare me anymore. I was done.

One day, quite recently actually, I decided I was tired of running, of being the one to force myself to wake up and break the dream. I decided to face it instead.

When I did that, it turned into this sad melty pile of clay, like an old claymation cartoon until it was nothing.

Perhaps this family member of yours has turned into something similar (if that is even her and not something else entirely) and is gaining some sort of energy from you by affecting your dreams. If I were you, I'd tell it to find something else to eat.

I have wakened myself so many times every night that I get no rest and feel tired constantly. I have confronted her (or whatever it may be) and yet she keeps returning, creeping around the edges of my sight. I even fed her to the bears last year to no avail. She doesn't chase me, doesn't speak to me (since the bears) and I am neither afraid nor paralyzed- she just wont go away, along with the darkness that accompanies her. I am not really sure what to do at this point. I need some peaceful, uninterrupted sleep desperately! 

(11-30-2022, 02:53 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 01:23 AM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 12:32 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote: I don't have any links to provide, only my own personal experience. I have had something similar happen to me. It wasn't a family member of mine. It was some sort of entity from a house I lived in when I was in my teens.

I suffered a psychotic break living in that house. Severe depression. I was out sick from school with bronchitis for a month--the worst I had ever felt. I think, even after we moved, it followed me for years. I would have bouts of sleep paralysis and anxiety. 

It wasn't until rather recently that I attributed all of that to the being from that old house. And it seemed that once I realized that, I was able to notice a change in my dreams, when the sleep paralysis started to take hold. Dreams would go from normal to darker often becoming "chase" dreams. (I hate those)

I would "abort" my dreams, end them and wake up, snap myself out of the sleep paralysis. I think it was trying to feed on my fear like some sort of phobophagus. 

I got quite efficient at breaking out of the dreams. Slowly, little by little, the phobophagus seemed to have less of an effect on me. I found myself getting angry instead and telling it to leave me the hell alone. It wasn't going to scare me anymore. I was done.

One day, quite recently actually, I decided I was tired of running, of being the one to force myself to wake up and break the dream. I decided to face it instead.

When I did that, it turned into this sad melty pile of clay, like an old claymation cartoon until it was nothing.

Perhaps this family member of yours has turned into something similar (if that is even her and not something else entirely) and is gaining some sort of energy from you by affecting your dreams. If I were you, I'd tell it to find something else to eat.

I have wakened myself so many times every night that I get no rest and feel tired constantly. I have confronted her (or whatever it may be) and yet she keeps returning, creeping around the edges of my sight. I even fed her to the bears last year to no avail. She doesn't chase me, doesn't speak to me (since the bears) and I am neither afraid nor paralyzed- she just wont go away, along with the darkness that accompanies her. I am not really sure what to do at this point. I need some peaceful, uninterrupted sleep desperately! 

Maybe listen to this while you sleep. If I am having issues, I find this frequency helps. 





When my dad passed, about two weeks after, I had been feeling his presence for days. Then one night he was causing me nightmares and sleep paralysis too. It reminded me of the thing at that old house from my teens. It was like my dad wasn't able to communicate properly. I told him whatever he was tryin to do, he was doing it wrong. I was worried he wasn't going to move on or he was at risk of becoming a hungry ghost or something. 

I put this on and was able to dream about him properly.  He didn't say much in the dream, he just wanted to watch some netflix with me. (TV was pretty much his life there at the end) but I knew he was trying to say sorry, so we could have closure. I think this tone helped with that. I haven't felt him since.

(11-30-2022, 03:29 AM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 02:53 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 01:23 AM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 12:32 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote: I don't have any links to provide, only my own personal experience. I have had something similar happen to me. It wasn't a family member of mine. It was some sort of entity from a house I lived in when I was in my teens.

I suffered a psychotic break living in that house. Severe depression. I was out sick from school with bronchitis for a month--the worst I had ever felt. I think, even after we moved, it followed me for years. I would have bouts of sleep paralysis and anxiety. 

It wasn't until rather recently that I attributed all of that to the being from that old house. And it seemed that once I realized that, I was able to notice a change in my dreams, when the sleep paralysis started to take hold. Dreams would go from normal to darker often becoming "chase" dreams. (I hate those)

I would "abort" my dreams, end them and wake up, snap myself out of the sleep paralysis. I think it was trying to feed on my fear like some sort of phobophagus. 

I got quite efficient at breaking out of the dreams. Slowly, little by little, the phobophagus seemed to have less of an effect on me. I found myself getting angry instead and telling it to leave me the hell alone. It wasn't going to scare me anymore. I was done.

One day, quite recently actually, I decided I was tired of running, of being the one to force myself to wake up and break the dream. I decided to face it instead.

When I did that, it turned into this sad melty pile of clay, like an old claymation cartoon until it was nothing.

Perhaps this family member of yours has turned into something similar (if that is even her and not something else entirely) and is gaining some sort of energy from you by affecting your dreams. If I were you, I'd tell it to find something else to eat.

I have wakened myself so many times every night that I get no rest and feel tired constantly. I have confronted her (or whatever it may be) and yet she keeps returning, creeping around the edges of my sight. I even fed her to the bears last year to no avail. She doesn't chase me, doesn't speak to me (since the bears) and I am neither afraid nor paralyzed- she just wont go away, along with the darkness that accompanies her. I am not really sure what to do at this point. I need some peaceful, uninterrupted sleep desperately! 

Maybe listen to this while you sleep. If I am having issues, I find this frequency helps. 





When my dad passed, about two weeks after, I had been feeling his presence for days. Then one night he was causing me nightmares and sleep paralysis too. It reminded me of the thing at that old house from my teens. It was like my dad wasn't able to communicate properly. I told him whatever he was tryin to do, he was doing it wrong. I was worried he wasn't going to move on or he was at risk of becoming a hungry ghost or something. 

I put this on and was able to dream about him properly.  He didn't say much in the dream, he just wanted to watch some netflix with me. (TV was pretty much his life there at the end) but I knew he was trying to say sorry, so we could have closure. I think this tone helped with that. I haven't felt him since.

Thanks! I will give it a try! 

(11-30-2022, 12:32 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote: . . . I think it was trying to feed on my fear like some sort of phobophagus. 

I got quite efficient at breaking out of the dreams. Slowly, little by little, the phobophagus seemed to have less of an effect on me. I found myself getting angry instead and telling it to leave me the hell alone. It wasn't going to scare me anymore. I was done.

One day, quite recently actually, I decided I was tired of running, of being the one to force myself to wake up and break the dream. I decided to face it instead.

When I did that, it turned into this sad melty pile of clay, like an old claymation cartoon until it was nothing.

Perhaps this family member of yours has turned into something similar (if that is even her and not something else entirely) and is gaining some sort of energy from you by affecting your dreams. If I were you, I'd tell it to find something else to eat.

(11-30-2022, 03:29 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: That word phobophagus, I understood it's meaning although I hadn't heard of it before now. A fear eating spirit, I've encountered these before and they are quite common in dreams.

A phobophagus could assume the likeness of a dead person and use that to provoke a fear reaction in the victim. Also, there is the possibility that the dead person left behind a spiritual shell of their worst characteristics, something that continues it's existence by intruding on your dreams. It is fading into a shade as the energy of the person's life is used up, so it needs to recharge with your life force to continue to exist.

(12-01-2022, 08:25 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 03:29 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: That word phobophagus, I understood it's meaning although I hadn't heard of it before now. A fear eating spirit, I've encountered these before and they are quite common in dreams.

A phobophagus could assume the likeness of a dead person and use that to provoke a fear reaction in the victim. Also, there is the possibility that the dead person left behind a spiritual shell of their worst characteristics, something that continues it's existence by intruding on your dreams. It is fading into a shade as the energy of the person's life is used up, so it needs to recharge with your life force to continue to exist.

I've never heard of a "phobophagus" either, but I'm familiar with the concept. To my understanding, it's not just fear they feed on, but also the emotional energy of ANY strong emotional reaction - it's just that fear is easiest to provoke in most people. They feed just as well on anger as they do fear.

So if you confront them with anger instead, they get just as much out of it as they do fear, and they'll keep coming back for more. Same for "joy" or any other strong emotion.

Once upon a time, I had occasion to have untoward interactions with some truly mean, nasty, and vicious people in the "real" world. Those folks occasionally come to visit in my dreams. At first, they'd come after me, I'd say "how's this? you're DEAD, yet here you are again!" and get spooked, and run and spend the entire night being chased and running for my life in fear. Somewhat later, when they'd come into my dreams, I'd run for a bit to see if I could outrun them (protip - you can't), and after a bit I'd get mad, turn on them and start shooting - "how 'bout chasin' THIS, ya bastards!" sort of thing. But that didn't work, either. No matter how many times I'd "kill" them, they'd just come back again.

What I found to work best, for me, was to just run for a couple minutes, then turn on them calm as hell, fold my arms across my chest, and say something like "ya know what? I'm bored with this shit. No matter how many times I kill ya, yer not gonna stay dead, and no matter how many times you kill me, I'm not gonna stay dead, either. Wanna go for a beer or something? Beats the hell out of exhausting ourselves". They don't seem to know what to do with that.

SO - if you can keep yourself calm, realize it's only a dream and nothing in it matters, deny them their emotional vampirism - no fear, no anger, no joy, no strong emotions at all... just calm..., then it all works out. The sun comes back out, the flowers bloom again, and all is well in the dream world. Sure, they'll still occasionally return to see if they can spook ya or piss ya off again yet, but YOU are in control - YOU have the ability to send them to bed without supper.

It may be that the video Selbiene Raveren posted assists in that - if it can keep YOU, the hearer, calm, then it helps YOU the experiencer control the experience..

Now, when I say "realize it's only a dream and nothing in it matters", I don't actually believe that. I believe, and have believed since around 2008 or so, that dreams are a reality - "you" actually travel to Elsewhere, the Otherworld or A Otherworld, in your sleep. It's a sort of neutral ground where other beings or spirits or whatever you want to call them can also visit, and interact with you. You don't always know WHY they are interacting or WHO they are, but it is, in essence, a "neutral ground", and remains neutral so long as one or the other of you don't get the upper hand - then it becomes YOUR ground, or THEIRS, just as in the "real" world

Make it yours if you have to, but in any event, if there is confrontation, don't let it become THEIRS. Better to keep the confrontation from happening to begin with and keep it cool and light, but if they insist, own them as hard as you can... and a light touch is the way to go in most cases. Calm and emotionless in the case of these emotionally vampiric types. If they are trying to provoke an emotional reaction, and you don't allow that to happen, you just "owned" them - and made it your world, not theirs. They lose.


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(11-29-2022, 05:51 PM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: I'm having an issue concerning a deceased relative. Not a dearly beloved dead relative either but a bitch who made my life miserable and whom I was glad to hear passed on- one of my grandmother's younger sisters. 

She was an evil woman who wore the mask of a "good Christian" to those outside the family. Among her list of attributes are things like working me like a slave, allowing her dogs to attack me, looking the other way as her husband sexually abused me (even blaming me every time I begged her to do something about it), constantly reminding me I wasn't as good as the rest of the family because I wasn't "blood kin" (mom was adopted) and even physically abusing my grandmother in her later years. Just the tip of the ice berg but you get the picture- not a good woman!

So dead relatives often visit me in my dreams. This has been going on for as long as I can remember. A lot of times through my dreams is how I find out a relative has passed before being told although sometimes it is scary when someone you don't even know is trying to force hugs on you in a dream but then the phone rings the next day and someone tells you "Great uncle such-and-such died" and then the dream makes sense. 

So back to my point. This bitch of a great aunt started coming into my dreams the last year or two. years after she passed so not to say goodbye or anything. She first showed up when I kept having the dreams about the bears, after that she would pop up in my dreams every so often- but now she is in my dreams nearly every single night! Even if my dreams start out okay eventually this old hag shows up and the vibes quickly go downhill. Even though she isn't doing anything bad to me the sky gets dark, the shadows get long and a feeling of dread prevails-- like when she arrives she saps all of the joy and goodness out of the atmosphere. When she leaves the dreams things start lightening up again- the sun comes back out, the shadows retreat and people start becoming cheery again.

I have searched and searched online for answers but all I can find is stuff about deceased "loved ones" and nothing about deceased "despised ones" in dreams. She doesn't seem to be looking for closure or to apologize and I feel no need for closure myself, once I reached adulthood I left that bitch with no questions whatsoever of exactly what I thought of her and felt about her and cut her completely out of my life with no regrets. I know I sound angry but I really am! How dare this woman invade my dream world with her bad vibes!

I feel like all of this could be some kind of bad omen. There is nothing bad going on in my life, nothing outside the norm to worry about and no reason to think about this person in my waking life until she started invading my sleeping life more and more frequently. So WTF does this mean???

If anyone has any related links to any info I can check out concerning this PLEASE share! I just want this over with and if that can't happen I would at least like as much insight as possible. Thanks!

(12-01-2022, 11:55 AM)Selbiene Raveren Wrote:

(12-01-2022, 08:25 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(11-30-2022, 03:29 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: That word phobophagus, I understood it's meaning although I hadn't heard of it before now. A fear eating spirit, I've encountered these before and they are quite common in dreams.

A phobophagus could assume the likeness of a dead person and use that to provoke a fear reaction in the victim. Also, there is the possibility that the dead person left behind a spiritual shell of their worst characteristics, something that continues it's existence by intruding on your dreams. It is fading into a shade as the energy of the person's life is used up, so it needs to recharge with your life force to continue to exist.

I've never heard of a "phobophagus" either, but I'm familiar with the concept. To my understanding, it's not just fear they feed on, but also the emotional energy of ANY strong emotional reaction - it's just that fear is easiest to provoke in most people. They feed just as well on anger as they do fear.

So if you confront them with anger instead, they get just as much out of it as they do fear, and they'll keep coming back for more. Same for "joy" or any other strong emotion.

Once upon a time, I had occasion to have untoward interactions with some truly mean, nasty, and vicious people in the "real" world. Those folks occasionally come to visit in my dreams. At first, they'd come after me, I'd say "how's this? you're DEAD, yet here you are again!" and get spooked, and run and spend the entire night being chased and running for my life in fear. Somewhat later, when they'd come into my dreams, I'd run for a bit to see if I could outrun them (protip - you can't), and after a bit I'd get mad, turn on them and start shooting - "how 'bout chasin' THIS, ya bastards!" sort of thing. But that didn't work, either. No matter how many times I'd "kill" them, they'd just come back again.

What I found to work best, for me, was to just run for a couple minutes, then turn on them calm as hell, fold my arms across my chest, and say something like "ya know what? I'm bored with this shit. No matter how many times I kill ya, yer not gonna stay dead, and no matter how many times you kill me, I'm not gonna stay dead, either. Wanna go for a beer or something? Beats the hell out of exhausting ourselves". They don't seem to know what to do with that.

SO - if you can keep yourself calm, realize it's only a dream and nothing in it matters, deny them their emotional vampirism - no fear, no anger, no joy, no strong emotions at all... just calm..., then it all works out. The sun comes back out, the flowers bloom again, and all is well in the dream world. Sure, they'll still occasionally return to see if they can spook ya or piss ya off again yet, but YOU are in control - YOU have the ability to send them to bed without supper.

It may be that the video Selbiene Raveren posted assists in that - if it can keep YOU, the hearer, calm, then it helps YOU the experiencer control the experience..

Now, when I say "realize it's only a dream and nothing in it matters", I don't actually believe that. I believe, and have believed since around 2008 or so, that dreams are a reality - "you" actually travel to Elsewhere, the Otherworld or A Otherworld, in your sleep. It's a sort of neutral ground where other beings or spirits or whatever you want to call them can also visit, and interact with you. You don't always know WHY they are interacting or WHO they are, but it is, in essence, a "neutral ground", and remains neutral so long as one or the other of you don't get the upper hand - then it becomes YOUR ground, or THEIRS, just as in the "real" world

Make it yours if you have to, but in any event, if there is confrontation, don't let it become THEIRS. Better to keep the confrontation from happening to begin with and keep it cool and light, but if they insist, own them as hard as you can... and a light touch is the way to go in most cases. Calm and emotionless in the case of these emotionally vampiric types. If they are trying to provoke an emotional reaction, and you don't allow that to happen, you just "owned" them - and made it your world, not theirs. They lose.


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Man... I wish I could control my dreams. More often than not, I don't have any or remember having any. Its very rare that I wake up and recall them. And any time I start to realize I am dreaming--lucid dreams--the second I am aware, I always get thrown out of them and wake up. I never get to stick around and 'play'. Its not fair.

As for whatever that thing was, I don't think it cared for anger too much. I am not sure that was the type of energy it was looking for. It would usually leave me alone for several months. But that could also be because I would laugh at it after the fact. 

I always had the distinct impression that it was disappointed and went away starving, which reminded me of a stupid childish joke my brother did to me as a kid involving a 'brain sucker'. It was just a sad starving little fear sucker... Slurp slurp.   

Too bad for it, I was all out of fear.

(11-29-2022, 05:51 PM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: I'm having an issue concerning a deceased relative. Not a dearly beloved dead relative either but a bitch who made my life miserable and whom I was glad to hear passed on- one of my grandmother's younger sisters. 

She was an evil woman who wore the mask of a "good Christian" to those outside the family. Among her list of attributes are things like working me like a slave, allowing her dogs to attack me, looking the other way as her husband sexually abused me (even blaming me every time I begged her to do something about it), constantly reminding me I wasn't as good as the rest of the family because I wasn't "blood kin" (mom was adopted) and even physically abusing my grandmother in her later years. Just the tip of the ice berg but you get the picture- not a good woman!

So dead relatives often visit me in my dreams. This has been going on for as long as I can remember. A lot of times through my dreams is how I find out a relative has passed before being told although sometimes it is scary when someone you don't even know is trying to force hugs on you in a dream but then the phone rings the next day and someone tells you "Great uncle such-and-such died" and then the dream makes sense. 

So back to my point. This bitch of a great aunt started coming into my dreams the last year or two. years after she passed so not to say goodbye or anything. She first showed up when I kept having the dreams about the bears, after that she would pop up in my dreams every so often- but now she is in my dreams nearly every single night! Even if my dreams start out okay eventually this old hag shows up and the vibes quickly go downhill. Even though she isn't doing anything bad to me the sky gets dark, the shadows get long and a feeling of dread prevails-- like when she arrives she saps all of the joy and goodness out of the atmosphere. When she leaves the dreams things start lightening up again- the sun comes back out, the shadows retreat and people start becoming cheery again.

I have searched and searched online for answers but all I can find is stuff about deceased "loved ones" and nothing about deceased "despised ones" in dreams. She doesn't seem to be looking for closure or to apologize and I feel no need for closure myself, once I reached adulthood I left that bitch with no questions whatsoever of exactly what I thought of her and felt about her and cut her completely out of my life with no regrets. I know I sound angry but I really am! How dare this woman invade my dream world with her bad vibes!

I feel like all of this could be some kind of bad omen. There is nothing bad going on in my life, nothing outside the norm to worry about and no reason to think about this person in my waking life until she started invading my sleeping life more and more frequently. So WTF does this mean???

If anyone has any related links to any info I can check out concerning this PLEASE share! I just want this over with and if that can't happen I would at least like as much insight as possible. Thanks!