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What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Infolurker - 08-04-2023 Hey, at least one Progressive Elitist is starting to catch on. NYT writer is starting to get it. LOL, Progressive Privilege on full display. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/opinion/trump-meritocracy-educated.html https://dnyuz.com/2023/08/02/what-if-were-the-bad-guys-here/ Quote:In this story we anti-Trumpers are the good guys, the forces of progress and enlightenment. The Trumpers are reactionary bigots and authoritarians. Many Republicans support Trump no matter what, according to this story, because at the end of the day he’s still the bigot in chief, the embodiment of their resentments, and that’s what matters to them most. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Schmoe - 08-04-2023 LMAO. So the reason Trumpists exist is to fight the highly educated left? The poor bumpkins can't fend for themselves, so they rally behind, wait for it, TRUMP, to fight it? What a joke. I was JUST starting to give the author a little credit when they rolled out that whopper. I guess I'm just another bumpkin, then. Only a highly uneducated wastrel like myself would see that blame goes both ways, left AND right. I'm probably being generous here, but at least 90% of these career politicians are self-serving pieces of shit. They've lost touch with reality, and have forgotten who they (are supposed to) serve. I'm of the opinion they need a harsh wake-up call. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - F2d5thCav - 08-04-2023 (08-04-2023, 03:05 AM)Schmoe Wrote: LMAO. Check. The articles smacks of the periodic "mea culpa" statements made by the Left ... who then go right back to exactly what they were doing before. "Trump as monster" is absurd and emblematic of how disconnected from reality they are ... he is for them a "monster" because he challenges their beloved, cloistered worldview. Anyone can see that Trump is human and makes mistakes, but he comes off a lot more approachable than old pinch-face: But author is precisely correct that the elite children evaded service in Vietnam. What he does not make clear is that in the decades since, they have assaulted the foundations of the Republic because it wasn't a socialist-communist scheme that they have been brainwashed into believing is oh-so-just. Yeah, in this case, a "highly educated" guy here, but not Ivy League and damned glad for it. Cheers RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Ninurta - 08-04-2023 Quote:Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison. I think it's fair to point out that what the author says here is a perfect illustration of what he is ranting about - and he seems not to even realize it. The only reason he still "basically trusts the legal system" is because, as a card carrying member of a privileged class, he has not experienced that legal system being weaponized against HIM... yet. There is always tomorrow, and the system they are building to protect their privileged asses will, at some point be turned on THEM by the opponents they seek to destroy by building it now. Nothing ever stays the same, the wheel is always turning and the pendulum swinging, and eventually it will roll around to being their turn in the hot-seat. They will then only have themselves to blame for having built that system and having set that precedent. Their error is in seeing "education" as a merit in their meritocracy. They are aiming for the wrong targets - they aim for indoctrination over ability, and that is NEVER a safe bet. Actual merit always, ALWAYS falls to those with ability, not necessarily those with education or the proper indoctrination. Allow me an illustration here. My dad's IQ was measured at 198. He was a very smart man, a man of abilities. But his education was a bit lacking. He quit school in the 7th grade. That did not affect his native intelligence or abilities, however. Education? I went through a total of 8 years or so of college. Educational achievement? I graduated college summa cum laude. Dear Old Dad had none of those advantages - I think I mentioned that he quit school in the 7th grade. Now, I'm no slouch in the IQ department, but I can't even hold a candle to his - his was just short of being unmeasurable because it was so high. For all of that, I will never be as smart as my Dear Old Dad. There is no amount of education - or indoctrination for that matter - that will ever be able to raise my IQ to the level his was measured at. There is "education", and then there is "intelligence". They are not at all the same thing. I had more education, and he had more intelligence. Of the two, he also had more ability, more "merit" due to his higher intelligence, his ability of sheer thought. Yet in a manufactured "meritocracy" that places more stress on "education", he was at a disadvantage - but he could run rings around me for actual smarts... which is where the merit really resides. 50 years ago, Dear Old Dad once told me that some of the stupidest people he ever met were college-educated. They had the education, but weren't smart enough to know what to do with it. It was true 50 years ago, and it's still true today. maybe even truer, since nowadays what passes for "education" is really nothing more than indoctrination. Eventually, all those "educated idiots" at the top of their made up, but invalid, "meritocracy" will be taken down by people with far less education, but far more intellect, more ability, more merit than they themselves possess. You can take that to the bank... and the wheel will keep turning long after you do. . RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Grace - 08-04-2023 The idealism and language of Marxism is on full display in this article - and it's not the first article I've read recently that describes the blue collar working class in heavily Marxist terms either. They are at least being open about their disdain for our model of governance, now if they were honest with themselves about why people are pissed that would be great. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Schmoe - 08-04-2023 (08-04-2023, 09:38 AM)Ninurta Wrote:Quote:Are Trump supporters right that the indictments are just a political witch hunt? Of course not. As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. Trump is a monster in the way we’ve all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison. Agreed on the "highly educated" sometimes being the dumbest people you'll meet. I'm not knocking ANYBODY who wants to further their education, but some of them go to these big universities, get their sheepish minds stuffed chock full of ideas, then go around repeating and basically enforcing it because they now think they're entitled to do so, due to their "superior" education. And of course it's not all of them, but many. There are many varieties of "smart." If the shit hits the fan and society collapses, who am I ganging up with? Some survivalists who couldn't name 3 ivy League schools? Or the economist who has 2 doctorates? If society collapses, suddenly the survivalists are the Harvard-educated geniuses. It seems some of them go these big universities, and have an attitude of "I paid $400k to have my IQ boosted by 20 points, listen to all I say! Bow to your all-knowing lord!" RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - dbcowboy - 08-04-2023 Anyone pushing for more or bigger government, anyone pushing for less freedoms and liberties is the bad guy. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Ninurta - 08-04-2023 (08-04-2023, 04:49 PM)Schmoe Wrote: Agreed on the "highly educated" sometimes being the dumbest people you'll meet. I'm not knocking ANYBODY who wants to further their education, but some of them go to these big universities, get their sheepish minds stuffed chock full of ideas, then go around repeating and basically enforcing it because they now think they're entitled to do so, due to their "superior" education. And of course it's not all of them, but many. You bring up an interesting point - it's the application of what one has to work with more so than the amount of it, that often matters. I have another friend, a guy I went to high school with, whose IQ measured somewhat lower than my own, BUT he is much, much quicker on the draw to apply what he has to work with than I am. He's not "smarter" in a conventional sense, but he IS faster to use it, and therefore can often out-think me due to that faster processing speed he possesses. . RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Ninurta - 08-04-2023 (08-04-2023, 06:04 PM)dbcowboy Wrote: Anyone pushing for more or bigger government, anyone pushing for less freedoms and liberties is the bad guy. Did you notice the following quote in the author's diatribe? Quote:We also change the moral norms in ways that suit ourselves, never mind the cost to others. For example, there used to be a norm that discouraged people from having children outside of marriage, but that got washed away during our period of cultural dominance, as we eroded norms that seemed judgmental or that might inhibit individual freedom. The author seems to be sublimely unaware that everything "his side" does inhibits individual freedom. Quite the contrary he appears to think - or wants US to think - that his side somehow promotes individual freedom. I don't see that, personally. What I see is everything they do inhibiting individual freedom. It's only logical to conclude that anyone with a collectivist mindset does not even comprehend individual freedom, only collective, hive-mind, thought. Personally, I believe he's just trying to slip a few fast ones past us, and make us think things that are not true. A promotion of misinformation of sorts. Of course, he assumes he can do that, because clearly we are less educated than him, and therefore in his mind less intelligent... because that ivy-league education never explained to him the difference between the two. As a matter of fact, his indoctrination to make him believe he is at the top of the intellectual heap due to his over-education purposely conflates the two, just so that he could be indoctrinated into believing he is in the Master Race. Therefore, only HIS "individual freedom" counts in his mind, and he in actuality has none. One does not have individual freedom in a hive. The hive will soon put an end to that if they ever detect it. Even the Queen Bee, at the end of the day when all is said and done, is really just another - privileged - member of the hive. . RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - BIAD - 08-04-2023 (08-04-2023, 08:29 PM)Ninurta Wrote: The author seems to be sublimely unaware that everything "his side" does inhibits individual freedom. Quite the contrary he appears to think - or wants US to think - that his side somehow promotes individual freedom. I don't see that, personally. What I see is everything they do inhibiting individual freedom. It's only logical to conclude that anyone with a collectivist mindset does not even comprehend individual freedom, only collective, hive-mind, thought. It is a mind-set, similar to a gated-community attitude regarding those not on their side of the wall. 'These are the rules we abide within... you should too' RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - dbcowboy - 08-04-2023 (08-04-2023, 08:29 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(08-04-2023, 06:04 PM)dbcowboy Wrote: Anyone pushing for more or bigger government, anyone pushing for less freedoms and liberties is the bad guy. Individuality is an anathema to the Marxists. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Infolurker - 08-04-2023 Makes me wonder when they start banning / imprisoning Christians for being "haters" that they might go "WAIT, WE ARE JUST LIKE THE NAZI's" RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - dbcowboy - 08-05-2023 (08-04-2023, 11:42 PM)Infolurker Wrote: Makes me wonder when they start banning / imprisoning Christians for being "haters" that they might go "WAIT, WE ARE JUST LIKE THE NAZI's" We're already seeing this. Instead of Nazi flags in shops, people have Pride flags in shops so they won't get canceled out of business. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Ninurta - 08-05-2023 (08-04-2023, 10:14 PM)dbcowboy Wrote: Individuality is an anathema to the Marxists. Yet they appear to be all too willing to muddy the waters with false claims of aspirations to individualism, in order to pull the wool over the eyes of their opposition that actually believe in such frivolities as having a mind of their own and individualism.... . RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - BIAD - 08-05-2023 The constantly moving tides of infotainment wait for no man. RE: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here? - Infolurker - 08-05-2023 (08-05-2023, 02:12 AM)Ninurta Wrote:(08-04-2023, 10:14 PM)dbcowboy Wrote: Individuality is an anathema to the Marxists. Oh, they are not lying. They want individualism / free speech for those who agree with them.... LOL The rest of us are the racists, somethingPhobe, haters that don't have the right to communicate out our misinformation / disinformation (Anything they disagree with). Take action to stop Meta’s new social platform, Threads, from spreading hate and disinformation https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/take-action-to-demand-meta-s-new-social-platform-threads-from-spreading-hate-and-disinformation Quote:Seeking an alternative to Twitter, users have been turning to the recently announced rival from Meta, Threads. However, we can’t put expediency over consumer rights and the public good. 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