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RE: Interstellar visitor - Kenzo1 - 11-15-2025

(11-15-2025, 07:22 PM)Ninurta Wrote: A paper defining the "Loeb Scale" can be found here .

I've not read the whole thing yet, but the first thing that strikes me is right up front - why is the lead investigator listed at the top of the paper (Omer Eldadi) from an Israeli school of PSYCHOLOGY? What does psychology have to do with astronomy... unless... there is a psychological operation in play?

I think I am uniquely qualified to express that reservation, as I went to university for physics with a concentration in astronomy, and at the same time my first wife was going to the same university to get her PhD in psychology. I am acutely aware of the vast differences between those two "sciences". I put that in quotes because I've never considered psychology to be a science. From what I know of it, which is more than is known by the average bear (from having assisted my first wife in her studies of it), it's more of an art. It's the Art of Manipulation, for the most part.

Things that make you go "hmmmm..."

ETA: I also found this to be of interest:

Quote:Corresponding Address:
Omer Eldadi
B.Ivcher School of Psychology
Reichman University
The University 8, Herzliya, Israel
Email: Omereldadi@gmail.com

What university professor uses Gmail for his professional correspondence? Most, if not all, universities have their own email addresses, and don't rely on extrernal emails like Gmail.


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Seems like Eldadi has 1 published paper about Extraterrestrial Intelligence Communication , other stuf he has done is sport related....which is pretty far from any UFO stuf . I dont see much reason for human psychology at this point, if any. 

He , Loeb and the third guy seems to allways do together things,  research papers. No outsiders...


Omer Eldadi


RE: Interstellar visitor - Ninurta - 11-15-2025

I read the paper on "The Loeb Scale" and had only a couple of further thoughts:

1) Loeb seems to place an inordinate stress on "non-gravitational acceleration", when it seems more likely that non-gravitational DECELERATION would be more cause for concern. They would have to decelerate to rendezvous with Earth either for an invasion or peaceful contact. Accelerating will just harmlessly fling them right out of the solar system, back into the black once again.

2) ALL 3 of the highest levels of the scale, which encompass confirmed technological origin, concern themselves mostly with the likelihood and magnitude of an Earth impact. Why would aliens travel for thousands of years in generational starships just to drive them into the Earth in a suicide mission? Even Heinlein's "Bugs" in Starship Troopers flung regular, run of the mill natural asteroids at Earth as weapons - they didn't send any technologically enhanced marvels. Why bother with that when simply chucking a rock would do?


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RE: Interstellar visitor - Ninurta - 11-15-2025

(11-15-2025, 08:02 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Seems like Eldadi has 1 published paper about Extraterrestrial Intelligence Communication , other stuf he has done is sport related....which is pretty far from any UFO stuf . I dont see much reason for human psychology at this point, if any. 

He , Loeb and the third guy seems to allways do together things,  research papers. No outsiders...


Omer Eldadi

Me either, unless they were just running a psychological operation on... humans. However, based upon his research papers, Eldadi seems to have no, or very little, expertise in that area, either.

Life is a mystery!

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RE: Interstellar visitor - F2d5thCav - 11-16-2025

(11-15-2025, 07:22 PM)Ninurta Wrote: ETA: I also found this to be of interest:

Quote:Corresponding Address:
Omer Eldadi
B.Ivcher School of Psychology
Reichman University
The University 8, Herzliya, Israel
Email: Omereldadi@gmail.com

I find it odd there is a university in Israel named Reich-man.   Huh

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RE: Interstellar visitor - babushka - 11-17-2025

Loeb, reminds of an eel for some reason. I think it's the grin he always has


RE: Interstellar visitor - Kenzo1 - 11-17-2025

This Loeb guy  Sure  i am getting Anthony Fauci vibes from him  Huh


RE: Interstellar visitor - F2d5thCav - 11-17-2025

(11-17-2025, 02:53 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote: This Loeb guy  Sure  i am getting Anthony Fauci vibes from him  Huh

Yeah, in the media too much for a scientist.  Not a good look.

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RE: Interstellar visitor - Kenzo1 - 11-18-2025

Is NASA finally ready ?  


NASA to Share Comet 3I/ATLAS Images From Spacecraft, Telescopes



Quote:NASA will host a live event at 3 p.m. EST, Wednesday, Nov. 19, to share imagery of the interstellar comet 3I/ATLAS collected by a number of the agency’s missions. The event will take place at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

Comet 3I/ATLAS, discovered by the NASA-funded ATLAS (Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System) observatory on July 1, is only the third object ever identified as entering our solar system from elsewhere in the galaxy. While it poses no threat to Earth and will get no closer than 170 million miles to Earth, the comet flew within 19 million miles of Mars in early October.

The event will air on NASA+, the NASA app, the agency’s website and YouTube channel, and Amazon Prime.

Briefing participants include:

NASA Associate Administrator Amit Kshatriya
Nicky Fox, associate administrator, Science Mission Directorate
Shawn Domagal-Goldman, acting director, Astrophysics Division
Tom Statler, lead scientist for solar system small bodies
To participate virtually in the NASA Live event, members of the media must send their full name, media affiliation, email address, and phone number no later than two hours before the start of the event to Molly Wasser at: molly.l.wasser@nasa.gov. Members of the public also may ask questions, which may be answered in real time during the broadcast, by using #AskNASA on social media.

Assets within NASA’s science missions give the United States the unique capability to observe 3I/ATLAS almost the entire time it passes through our celestial neighborhood, and study – with complementary scientific instruments and from different directions – how the comet behaves. These assets include both spacecraft across the solar system, as well as ground-based observatories.

For more information on 3I/ATLAS, visit:

https://go.nasa.gov/3I-ATLAS



RE: Interstellar visitor - F2d5thCav - 11-18-2025

Why does NASA need a media circus to release the photos ?

Too much PR.  WAY too much PR.  I wish Trump would give that agency a kick in the butt and fire half of their management.

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RE: Interstellar visitor - Kenzo1 - 11-19-2025

According to to NASA , atlas is just comet and nothingburger.....they only release boring pictures it seems .


RE: Interstellar visitor - babushka - 11-19-2025

I still don't understand why this was hyped up, the herd mentally is painfull to witness. Wilful ignorance of physics throughout and far out from anything related to UFO's. Why do we ignore everything that has come before?


RE: Interstellar visitor - gortex - 11-20-2025

NASA released the HiRISE image from Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter yesterday but it's a bit blurred due to "spacecraft jitter" during the 3.2 second observation period , because of course there was.

Quote:In this 3.2 second exposure, HiRISE successfully detected 3I/ATLAS at a scale of 30 km/pixel and a spacecraft distance of roughly 30 million kilometers (19 million miles). However, MRO is not well-suited to exposures of this length. The nucleus, estimated from Hubble Space Telescope images to be at most a few kilometers across, cannot be resolved in our HiRISE image.

Additionally, due to spacecraft jitter during the observation period, 3I/ATLAS is smeared by several pixels. Refinement of the data continues, but we can clearly see the coma. In fact, the full coma spans our entire HiRISE image, but only the brightest inner region is detected given the exposure time used.
https://www.uahirise.org/releases/3i-atlas/



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RE: Interstellar visitor - Ninurta - 11-20-2025

Yeah. That "spacecraft jitter" is a real bitch, a real pain in the ass, isn't it? I hate it when that happens!



Looking at the image, I think they probably missed the target, anyhow. It looks more like a London streetlight on a really foggy night to me.



Hard to get those spacecraft aimed just right once they get to "jittering".... maybe a Xanax would help calm it's jittery nerves? It's getting harder and harder to find good solid spacecraft with nerves of steel these days...

I kind of figured that anything coming out of NASA would be... less than optimal... considering the length of government shutdown time they had to "improve" it while blaming the shutdown for the delayed release. I mean, seriously - how hard could it be to click a couple of buttons to locate a photo and upload it to a website template that was created long ago? I'd have done it for them for free if they would have just gotten security to unlock the door for me for about 2 minutes.



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RE: Interstellar visitor - gortex - 11-23-2025

A new 3I/Atlas anomaly has been discovered and it would seem the Interstellar Object could be targeted at Jupiter , the measured non-gravitational acceleration post perihelium has altered Atlas's trajectory so it will come within Jupiter's gravitational influence , the Hill sphere , without the non-gravitational acceleration Atlas would have missed it.

Quote:The measured value of the non-gravitational acceleration of 3I/ATLAS, acquired during the month-long passage of 3I/ATLAS near perihelion, changed the value of min{D} at a level of 0.1 million kilometers. This magnitude of displacement in the minimum distance of 3I/ATLAS from Jupiter results from the measured non-gravitational acceleration value of 5x10^{-7} au per day squared as reported here, after the month-long perihelion crossing (where au is the Earth-Sun separation).

In other words, the non-gravitational acceleration introduced a small course correction of exactly the magnitude needed to bring the minimum distance of 3I/ATLAS from Jupiter to the value of Jupiter’s Hill radius. 3I/ATLAS would have missed the edge of the Hill sphere otherwise.




Quote:How statistically rare is the coincidence between the values of min{D} and H? A margin of 0.06 out of 53.5 million kilometers corresponds to a coincidence of one part in a thousand. But given the full diameter of Jupiter’s orbit around the Sun, this coincidence amounts to one part in 26,000.
If 3I/ATLAS were to deposit devices within the Hill sphere of Jupiter on March 16, 2026, these devices would need to fire their engines in order to cancel out the high speed of 3I/ATLAS relative to Jupiter, which is 65.9 kilometers per second. The escape speed from Jupiter’s gravitational potential well at H=53.5 million kilometers is just 2.2 kilometers per second.
Any new objects orbiting Jupiter after the passage of 3I/ATLAS, could be identified by the Juno spacecraft (as discussed here) or by other human-made orbiters around Jupiter. If we find technological satellites of Jupiter that we did not send, it would imply that Jupiter is of interest to an extraterrestrial civilization.
https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-remarkable-new-anomaly-of-3i-atlas-420065c2cddf
 

13 anomalies from 1 object ..... I'm sure it's just a Comet with no tail.

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RE: Interstellar visitor - babushka - 11-23-2025

Nice, they are going to setup shop on one of the moons.


RE: Interstellar visitor - gortex - 12-05-2025

A post-Perihelion picture of 3I/Atlas has been released which was taken by the Hubble space telescope on November 30th showing the scale of object's coma and the nucleus within.
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Quote:The interstellar visitor 3I/ATLAS was reobserved by the Hubble Space Telescope from a distance of 286 million kilometers on November 30, 2025, a month after its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion). The image shows a teardrop-shaped glowing halo that extends towards the Sun. This sunward anti-tail extension was also apparent in the pre-perihelion Hubble image of 3I/ATLAS, taken on July 21, 2025, as 3I/ATLAS was approaching the Sun from a distance that is 56% larger from Earth. The new radius of the glow is about 40,000 kilometers and its anti-tail extension goes out to about 60,000 kilometers.

In a recent paper, accessible here, I suggested that the teardrop of the coma in post-perihelion images of 3I/ATLAS is associated with a large number of macroscopic non-volatile objects that separated from it as a result of its measured non-gravitational acceleration away from the Sun. My paper predicted that by November 30th, the swarm of objects would be closer to the Sun than 3I/ATLAS by about 60,000 kilometers if the objects overlapped with 3I/ATLAS at perihelion. This separation is in perfect agreement with the anti-tail extension of the teardrop shape in the new Hubble image.

https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-new-hubble-space-telescope-image-of-3i-atlas-926b4c7b2dd0

Just 13 days till its closest pass of Earth.


RE: Interstellar visitor - Kenzo1 - 12-05-2025

(12-05-2025, 05:34 PM)gortex Wrote: A post-Perihelion picture of 3I/Atlas has been released which was taken by the Hubble space telescope on November 30th showing the scale of object's coma and the nucleus within.
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Quote:The interstellar visitor 3I/ATLAS was reobserved by the Hubble Space Telescope from a distance of 286 million kilometers on November 30, 2025, a month after its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion). The image shows a teardrop-shaped glowing halo that extends towards the Sun. This sunward anti-tail extension was also apparent in the pre-perihelion Hubble image of 3I/ATLAS, taken on July 21, 2025, as 3I/ATLAS was approaching the Sun from a distance that is 56% larger from Earth. The new radius of the glow is about 40,000 kilometers and its anti-tail extension goes out to about 60,000 kilometers.

In a recent paper, accessible here, I suggested that the teardrop of the coma in post-perihelion images of 3I/ATLAS is associated with a large number of macroscopic non-volatile objects that separated from it as a result of its measured non-gravitational acceleration away from the Sun. My paper predicted that by November 30th, the swarm of objects would be closer to the Sun than 3I/ATLAS by about 60,000 kilometers if the objects overlapped with 3I/ATLAS at perihelion. This separation is in perfect agreement with the anti-tail extension of the teardrop shape in the new Hubble image.

https://avi-loeb.medium.com/a-new-hubble-space-telescope-image-of-3i-atlas-926b4c7b2dd0

Just 13 days till its closest pass of Earth.


If the pictures are not getting any better, i will be dissapointed . To me the images we seen are grainy low quality dots that tell`s absolutely not much, or not enough .


RE: Interstellar visitor - gortex - 12-05-2025

I guess there are limitations in using a telescope designed to see things very far away looking at something not that far away mate , while the MRO image from the Mars pass was disappointing at least in this Hubble image we can see what is contained within the bright glow other images have shown giving a chance to get a Spectrum analysis of the light emitted.

Hopefully NASA are moving Juno out to take a look at Atlas when it makes its closer than expected pass of Jupiter next Spring , it beats just crashing it into Jupiter.


RE: Interstellar visitor - gortex - 12-14-2025

New images of Atlas this time from a telescope in Rayong, Thailand , the object will make its closest pass of Earth on Friday , I'll be getting my frankincense and myrrh on Thursday in preparation.
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Quote:Whereas an anti-tail had been seen for solar system comets as a temporary perspective effect when the Earth crossed the comets’ orbital plane, this is clearly not the case with 3I/ATLAS. The anti-tail was apparent in the first Hubble Space Telescope image, taken on July 21, 2025, when 3I/ATLAS was approaching the Sun from a geocentric distance of 2.98 times the Earth-Sun separation (AU) — as reported here and analyzed here, and was also apparent in the second Hubble image taken on November 30, 2025, when 3I/ATLAS was receding away from the Sun at a distance of 1.91 AU from Earth — as reported here. The anti-tail was also apparent in thousands of images taken in between these dates.

The anti-tail of 3I/ATLAS is therefore not a perspective effect. It is a real physical jet, with a glow extending from 3I/ATLAS towards the Sun. Its nature is a mystery because gas and micrometer-dust particles are expected to be pushed away from the Sun by solar radiation pressure and the solar wind, creating the appearance of a tail — as routinely seen in solar-system comets. There was no mention of this mystery at the NASA press conference about 3I/ATLAS on November 19, 2025 (accessible here).

https://avi-loeb.medium.com/3i-atlas-still-shows-an-anti-tail-as-it-gets-closer-to-earth-390fa24f136a



RE: Interstellar visitor - Kenzo1 - 12-19-2025

3I/ATLAS is at its closest point to Earth TODAY December 19, 2025 .



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