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RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - BodhisattvaStyle - 12-05-2023
Evil Spirits:
From the book of Enoch.
This is the explanation of where evil spirits and demons come from.
Chapter 15
And He (God) answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2. And go, say to ⌈⌈the Watchers of heaven⌉⌉, who have sent thee to intercede ⌈⌈for them: "You should intercede"⌉⌉ for men, and not men for you: 3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? 4. And
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though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling
And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.
From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death ⌈of the giants⌉, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement--thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great ⌈judgement⌉ in which the age shall be consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated." 2. And now as to the Watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been ⌈⌈aforetime⌉⌉ in heaven, (say to
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them): "You have been in heaven, but ⌈all⌉ the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4. Say to them therefore: "You have no peace."'
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Demons:
And these are the fallen angels, their story, and some the names of the originals.
Chapter 6
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered
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him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. 8. These are their chiefs of tens.
Chapter 7
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
From this, I consider "evil spirits" as the children of demons.
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Although the spirits have power, and know some mysteries of this earth, what they know is worthless compared to the Power that is coming for them.
After the Judgement, and when it is all said and done, these spirits will be the ones who are tossed into the fiery furnace along with the original 200 angels who are already bound in the darkness.
Hell is reserved for them.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - BodhisattvaStyle - 12-06-2023
I believe this child was possessed by a demon. The story doesn't add up.
https://ssnews.page.link/sJaCzeMEDxsz78zh8
Chilling footage shows Florida honors student lurking over mom’s bed moments before he allegedly stabbed her to death
Haunting images caught on a baby monitor show the 13-year-old Florida honors student accused of killing his sleeping mother looming over her bed moments before he allegedly plunged a knife into her — as his newborn sister slept in a crib steps away.
A black-and-white time-stamped image shared by the Miami-Dade District Attorney’s Office on Monday shows Derek Rosa standing over his mother, Irina Garcia, while she slept in her bed on Oct. 12.
Just after 11 p.m. that night, Rosa is seen hunching over Garcia. About a half-hour later, he called 911 to report her murder.
In a chilling twist, the teen’s newborn half-sister sleeps in a crib right next to the bed while the mom sleeps, seemingly unaware of her son’s presence.
Prosecutors have yet to provide further detail on what they claim is happening in the photo.
Even more disturbing, another still-framed shot shows Garcia in her bed, with the lights on, cradling her 14-day-old baby at 10:23 p.m. the same evening.
Within an hour of the image’s time stamp, Garcia, 39, would allegedly be killed by her son.
Another image shows Rosa sticking his tongue out with what appears to be his blood-stained hand in a selfie allegedly sent to a friend following the murder.
The DA’s office also shared an image of a pink-handled knife with what looks to be blood on it
During an 18-minute call with the 911 operator on the night of the murder, Rosa had confessed to murdering his mother and sending a picture of the grisly aftermath to a friend — telling the dispatcher, “There’s blood all over the floor.”
The 8th-grade honor roll student also allegedly said, “I have the gun with me. I was going to shoot myself, but I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to. There’s a knife in my room, and there’s a gun in the living room.”
His half-sister was unharmed.
Rosa’s stepfather also lived in the apartment but was out of town for work at the time of the killing.
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The teen pleaded not guilty to his mother’s murder last month and will stand trial as an adult.
His lawyers are pushing for their client to be moved to a juvenile detention facility instead of being behind bars at Metro West Detention Center, an adult jail.
On Friday, Judge Richard Hersch heard arguments over whether Rosa should be transferred to the juvenile detention center and wait for trial, NBC News reported.
The decision on his transfer was pushed back to allow the defense more time to make their argument
Judge Hersch will rule on Tuesday unless the defense presents witnesses to advocate his transfer.
Rosa is currently the youngest of 34 juveniles being held at the new juvenile section at Metro West, according to NBC News.
Prosecutors remain adamant that the teen should not be transferred to a juvenile facility.
His lawyers have yet to declare any mental illness defense.
Rosa’s defense attorneys examined the crime scene during a three-hour block on Thursday, according to NBC News.
The attorneys were joined by a forensic examiner and photographer while at the Hialeah property.
During the last month’s hearing, Rosa was oddly calm as he was charged with the heinous crime, despite family members of the alleged killer teen becoming emotional in the courtroom.
His father, Jose, was seen waving at his son, even blowing him a kiss, while his grandmother, at one point, started crying as his lawyers took the not-guilty plea.
After the court hearing, his relatives disagreed with Rosa being charged as an adult — insisting that he was a “good boy.”
Derek is a good boy. Affectionate, loving,” one relative said, according to WPLG.
“This is not like Derek. No one knows Derek like we know him. And this is not Derek, so you know.”
Jose Rosa previously called for his son to get a second chance despite the severity of the crime.
“I guess what we’re asking for is another opportunity — a second chance — to help him grow and become mature as a grown man to put this behind him,” the father said, according to the station.
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We need to start learning how to recognize the signs. We will see more and more stories like this.
I hope this thread has served as a warning
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - NightskyeB4Dawn - 12-06-2023
(12-06-2023, 03:14 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I believe this child was possessed by a demon. The story doesn't add up.
I know it is hard to believe, but the gates are open.
Our biggest problem is that we don’t recognize evil when we see it.
We embrace it, desire it, and we propagate it, thinking that it is good.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - BodhisattvaStyle - 12-06-2023
(12-06-2023, 04:37 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:A Truer statement could not have been made.(12-06-2023, 03:14 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I believe this child was possessed by a demon. The story doesn't add up.
I know it is hard to believe, but the gates are open.
Our biggest problem is that we don’t recognize evil when we see it.
We embrace it, desire it, and we propagate it, thinking that it is good.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - EndtheMadnessNow - 12-06-2023
More shofar...
The shofar is blown in synagogue services on Rosh Hashanah and at the very end of Yom Kippur, and is also blown every weekday morning in the month of Elul (Hebrew calendar / August–Sept on the Gregorian calendar) running up to Rosh Hashanah. Also Christian Feast of Trumpets (Numbers 10:10).
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - BodhisattvaStyle - 12-06-2023
(12-06-2023, 05:20 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: More shofar...That was quite beautiful, thank you.
The shofar is blown in synagogue services on Rosh Hashanah and at the very end of Yom Kippur, and is also blown every weekday morning in the month of Elul (Hebrew calendar / August–Sept on the Gregorian calendar) running up to Rosh Hashanah. Also Christian Feast of Trumpets (Numbers 10:10).
We're these the same horns blown at the battle of Jericho?
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - FlickerOfLight - 10-31-2024
As I predicted, or what I was already seeing, actually.
Number Of Witches Rises Dramatically Across U.S. As Millennials Reject Christianity
https://www.newsweek.com/witchcraft-wiccans-mysticism-astrology-witches-millennials-pagans-religion-1221019
Witchcraft is something that we should all learn to recognize, as more of these weak people are getting involved in dark magic, and casting spells just because they can, and their "feels," and all that.
Regardless, learning to recognize the signs could help you avoid unwanted sorcery in your life; as well as, who to stay away from. They are infiltrating the churches.
https://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2751
With witchcraft on the rise, again, we will be having more and more demon possessed people, as well as a flood gate of demon/evil spirit oppression in the world.
Hope everyone has a safe and happy Halloween
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Ninurta - 11-03-2024
(10-31-2024, 10:15 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: As I predicted, or what I was already seeing, actually.
Number Of Witches Rises Dramatically Across U.S. As Millennials Reject Christianity
https://www.newsweek.com/witchcraft-wiccans-mysticism-astrology-witches-millennials-pagans-religion-1221019
Witchcraft is something that we should all learn to recognize, as more of these weak people are getting involved in dark magic, and casting spells just because they can, and their "feels," and all that.
Regardless, learning to recognize the signs could help you avoid unwanted sorcery in your life; as well as, who to stay away from. They are infiltrating the churches.
https://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2751
With witchcraft on the rise, again, we will be having more and more demon possessed people, as well as a flood gate of demon/evil spirit oppression in the world.
Hope everyone has a safe and happy Halloween
Those are what I call "Barnes and Novle witches", becasue they get everything they think they "know" from books written by other wannbe witches. it's all based in Gardnerian "witchcraft", which is not even a real thing - it was invented by Gerald Gardner. It's sort of like modern day "Druidism" - just made up bull-crap based on nothing but fantasy.
They tinker and dabble around with things they know nothing of, and are mostly a danger only to themselves.
I had a step-daughter that was one of them. Her and her gaggle of friends would bring "things" into the house, things that I'd then have to get rid of for them. I've seen things from that experience that most folks would not believe - there was one thing that I saw twice in the house. Well, once inside the house and once just outside the house. It was about 8 feet tall and glided rather than walked. It was dressed in a long, hooded black robe with red trim. Another time, "something" scratched runes on the hardwood floor right in from of a dog crate where one of my more irascible dogs usually slept. I never got the runes deciphered - they looked more like gibberish than words to me. We occasionally found human teeth just laying in the floor. Never did figure out where they came from. Once we came back home and all of the girls hair products were stacked up in the bathroom floor in a pyramid shape.
She opened what I believe was some sort of "portal" in the wall in a room in the attic once. I've got photos of that somewhere, but seriously doubt it would be a good idea to post them.
Anyhow, they'd bring that stuff in, and I'd get rid of it before it could do any harm... until I got tired of it. About a couple of months before I left, I just stopped getting rid of it. There was no use - they'd just drag that stuff right back in, so I finally let it have them and left. If they couldn't listen to what I told them, then they could learn the hard way as far as I was concerned. Play with fire, you'll eventually get burned, and I was damned toired of hauling their fat out of the ashes just to have them do it all over again.
I don't know what happened to them after that, except I know my ex died about 6 years later. of what, I have no idea. What happened to the Barnes and Nobles Witches I've no clue.
My ex, her ma, was an actual, hereditary, witch. Going back generations, long before the Gardnerian fad. She never used it, and tried to tell the little B+N witch to not fiddle around with things she had no concept of, but you know how kids are.
Never heard of a Wiccan in a church. That's new to me. Most of 'em avoid churches like the plague, and still hold Christians culpable for the witch burnings 400 years ago. Talk about a long grudge!
But, with that said, I DO know of "witchcraft" being used in churches and among church-folk, just not the New Age Wiccan variety. Things like "speaking in tongues" and "prophecy" that are done in some churches are just modern-day old-timey witchcraft. I also know of chruch "healers" who use witchcraft and incantations to effect their "cures", but that's not Gardnerian or New Age wicca, either. Some will use Bible verses in their incantations.
But "wiccans", no. I can't imagine why a church would allow full-blooded modern-day "pagans" into their church... but if they do, I reckon they get what they have coming to them! All this modern lovey-dovey "inclusivity" is nice and all, but it damn sure has it's limits, and that REALLY ought to be one of them!
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RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Michigan Swamp Buck - 11-03-2024
I love the stories. I believe what the Rogues have written here are truthful reports of their experiences.
This is a long thread and I've reread through page three before I posted this. So I don't know if anyone considered the question I pose now.
What is the definition of, or the use of, the word "spirit" in this discussion?
The word spirit can refer to the purified essence of something like alcohol or perfume, a mood, as in "good spirits" or the "Holiday spirit," or a spiritual entity, like a ghost, as in the spirit of a deceased loved one, for example.
Demons are fallen angels. I don't know much about angels as spiritual beings, however, I thought the bible always had them in a physical form of one kind or another, not as an invisible force without form. I imagine that the "Holy Spirit" is the invisible force for God, but I know of no unholy spirit that works for evil.
I only got through page three, so I don't know if there was any use of the term "unclean spirit" or if there are what may be considered "clean spirits" out there as well.
I think that there should be an agreement on the use of the terminology and how it is defined in this discussion. I may see that after I continue reading past page three, but if not my questions and suggestions will stand.
ETA: I saw the reference to the giant bastard offspring of the fallen watchers. I remember that one now, the Book of Enoch, of the apocryphal books. Once these giant Nephilim died, they became evil spirits or unclean spirits.
I am going to settle on the use of the term spiritual entity or being in this context. When referring to demons, I will use the term fallen angels. Not knowing what abilities fallen ones may have, I can believe they have a powerful unseen influence that can be called oppression. They may even have the ability to change the situation to enhance their influence in addition to something more direct like voices in your head. The apocryphal books imply that the evil spirits of the Nephilim are directed by the fallen ones who are in charge of them.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - F2d5thCav - 11-03-2024
@MSB
I think of the "holiday spirit" as a real thing regarding Christmas. The "air" is "pregnant" with possibilities.
In Europe, the holiday lights remain on until Three Kings' Day, after which they are extinguished, which feels like the "spirit" is banished / shut out for another 11 months or so. In our material world, it is a passing odd thing, as the first three months of the year, being so dark, are in dire need of illumination.
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There was one place in Germany, a literally dark wood, that always had an oppressive feel to it. No idea why, but photographs there were difficult to take because the images were always so dark, even at high noon.
At Ninurta -- would love to see the photos of that portal you mentioned.
Cheers--
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - FlickerOfLight - 11-03-2024
If speaking in tongues is guided by the Holy Spirit, then if someone were to call it "witchcraft" instead, then they'd be guilty of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
Which is the only unforgivable sin. All blasphemy against the Father will be forgiven. All blasphemy against the Son will be forgiven. BUT...blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never* be forgiven. Not in this life or the next.
Matthew 12:21-32
Be very careful who it is you listen to, readers.
Ps. The Son of God taught us to love our enemies, the same as we are commanded to love our neighbors. We are to love them, as much as we love ourselves. If our enemies arethirsty, give them somethingto drink. If they are hungry, give them something to eat. If they are naked, give them clothes.
You will know someone who has the Holy Spirit by their "fruits." Are they gentle, are they kind? Do they love? Are they patient? Do they forbear? Do they have peace and love? Do they long-suffering?
This is how we recognize the Holy Spirit in someone.
Evil spirits and demons will be the opposite of all of that. They will not be patient, gentle or kind. They will not love you, feed you when you're hungry, give you water when you are thirsty, or clothes when you are naked. They will probably tell you to "get a job" before they'll help you.
It is easy to recognize these acts of love when one is carrying the Holy Spirit. Those who do not have the Holy Spirit will not recognize them. They are blind. You'll get excuses from these people, as to why they don't have to "love others, as they love themselves." Then they'll be in church on Sunday, in the front row.
Masquerading as the angel of light.
Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 1 Corinthians 13:4-5
This can't be faked. This is what the "Holy Spirit" looks like.
Anything less, is evil. Evil is anything "void of love."
Those who have ears, let them hear.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Ninurta - 11-03-2024
(11-03-2024, 12:12 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: I love the stories. I believe what the Rogues have written here are truthful reports of their experiences.
This is a long thread and I've reread through page three before I posted this. So I don't know if anyone considered the question I pose now.
What is the definition of, or the use of, the word "spirit" in this discussion?
For myself, I would define it as a usually unseen, sentient, energy field. Now that definition is imperfect, as there are some hauntings that seem to not be sentient, but rather re-plays of past events as if they were mere recordings. Also, under certain conditions they can be seen, negating the "unseen" part of the definition I use.
"Demons" are an ancient Mesopotamian concept, spirit beings who have never been human to differentiate them from "ghosts", which are spirit beings that once were human. They have commonalities (both "spirit beings"), but also differences - whether they have ever been human or not. The concept of demons has been adopted by both Christianity and Islam - I don't know enough about Judaism to say whether they believe in demons or not - but they are a concept as old as religion, whatever that religion may be.
I think an "evil spirit" can be either one. There are definitely evil people around,and I can't imagine them suddenly becoming "good" just because they shuffle off this mortal coil. As my Dear Old Dad used to say, "if yer a sonofabitch while yer alive, yer gonna be a sonofabich after yer not."
The notion of an "unclean spirit" does imply the existence of "clean spirits". Otherwise, there would be no need to specify "unclean".
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RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Ninurta - 11-03-2024
(11-03-2024, 04:03 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: At Ninurta -- would love to see the photos of that portal you mentioned.
Cheers--
It's not really special. It's a "mural" that she and one of her weird friends painted along one wall that raises my hackles. It has a bunch of creepy figures with a focus on something like a "cave mouth" for lack of a better phrase that seems to me to be the "portal".
It was after they painted that when I "noped" my butt right out of there and moved on. The house is in Burlington, NC. It's probably been painted over by now, as that was several years ago and the house is under new ownership now. Oddly, there are places where I am still listed as the house owner, and that aggravates me to no end. If the "mural" has merely been painted over, then it is still THERE, under the paint, and that can't be a good thing in my mind.
I will say that the room it is in, in the attic, had a history of weirdness before the mural was painted, however. My son used to sleep in that room, and he swore that he occasionally saw an old woman emerge from an attic crawl space that opened into the room. One day after a 12 hour shift, I went up to that room to sleep undisturbed, and at one point I felt "something" or "someone" get into bed with me - you know how you can feel a bed move when someone gets into bed. Whatever it was was behind me, and without looking because I was tired as hell, I said "You'd best stay on your side of the bed then, If you bother me, we're gonna have trouble, because I'm in no mood for foolishness". 2 or 3 minutes later, I felt it get back out of the bed, and was never troubled by it again.
So, whether that room was already a nexus and the little witch was just inspired to "open it up", or whether she created a "portal" through some of her shenanigans associated with a painting, or whether it was just a painting that creeped me out and otherwise nothing special, we'll never know for sure I reckon.
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RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Ninurta - 11-03-2024
(11-03-2024, 04:32 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: If speaking in tongues is guided by the Holy Spirit, then if someone were to call it "witchcraft" instead, then they'd be guilty of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
Which is the only unforgivable sin. All blasphemy against the Father will be forgiven. All blasphemy against the Son will be forgiven. BUT...blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never* be forgiven. Not in this life or the next.
Matthew 12:21-32
Be very careful who it is you listen to, readers.
I stand by what I said for two reasons: 1) the IF you mention is of extreme importance in the matter, and 2) there is a vast difference in the way the ritual is used nowadays when compared to the events recorded in Acts. One is a demonstration of God's power, the other is... not.
Whether I am right or wrong about it, is, I suppose, a matter that will be taken up in due course between me and God. on Judgement Day
I will say that I have heard "tongues" spoken in a modern church which I could oddly understand, which was a real, if long dead language, and which words should never have been spoken in God's house. I have all the confidence I need that the utterance was in no way guided by the Holy Spirit, but by a more unclean spirit. There is no way that woman is likely to have had a working knowledge of the language she was speaking well enough to actually speak it.
There have been other times "tongues" were spoken in my presence that I could NOT understand, but which nevertheless raised my hackles. I cannot say for sure whether they were "clean" or "unclean" however, because in those cases I did not understand what was being said.
I was taught how to speak "tongues" on purpose, at will and on demand, and can do so, but never do. If even I don't understand what I am saying, then there is no practical purpose to it when both I and God have a common language which we can both understand. God can understand all languages, but there are very few that I can understand, so it seems to me best to stand on common ground so that one knows what he is saying when speaking to deity. Better safe than sorry.
Another example of witchcraft in the church is this: there is a specific verse, in Isaiah I believe although it may have been Ezekiel (it's been a long time, and though I was told the specific verse to use, I have long forgotten it), which has been used for generations, long before the Gardnerian Wiccans were even a gleam in Gerald Gardner's eye. I know for fact that it has been uttered as an incantation to stop uncontrolled bleeding, and have seen it done and that it worked. Is that "witchcraft"? It has all the hallmarks - a ritual incantation performed to achieve a specific goal, and it DID work. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that was "witchcraft" or not.
Remember, witches, like all religions, have their own gods. Does it make ritual and enchanting "ok" because of it's deity, while others are "not ok" simply because of theirs? Even though the nuts and bolts of the actions performed are indistinguishable, and only the deities called upon vary? I'll leave that for the individual to decide on their own. it's not my job to decide for them. That would be a matter of conscience between them and their God.
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RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - FlickerOfLight - 11-03-2024
A good point was made by MSB, about the question of invisible vs visible beings.
It would be both.
When Jesus cast out the legion of demons from tge the one man, that entire legion was in one man, and when they came out, they went into pigs. Invisibly. I don't think they actually saw the demons jump in physical form from inside a man, to inside of pigs.
Also, angels. Angels have come to us in physical form, like with Abraham, and have stood Invisibly in other parts of the scriptures. The army of angels that were hidden from the boys eyes, but Elijah could see them. Eventually the boy saw that army of angels.
So, it would be both, right? Interdimensional beings, that operate on both planes, both in physical form, as well as spiritual form.
We are limited to our physical eyes, and they do not see past that veil, into the spiritual world.
Some of those who have reached a true enlightenment can see past that veil. But they look through their spiritual eye, the third eye, to be able to see past the physical world, and into the spiritual realms.
I'm going with both. Evil spirits are the spirits of the Nephilim, according to Enoch. As well as demons being the Fallen Angels. Ghosts are our deceased that are trapped between the two realms.
Ya know, with all this advancements in technology, and the fact that we have every piece of information in the palm of our hands, and we can fly people to the Moon and back, and yet we still struggle to understand most ancient knowledge.
Funny thing is, the occult are very aware and apprised to who what and how this all works.
Yet, Christians remain in the darkness of ignorance because we aren't taught any of these ancient understandings. We, with where we are at in technology and information should fully understand these simple principles. We should know the difference between a demon and an evil spirit. We should know how to recognize it.....AND CAST IT OUT!
But......nope....we sit in church and sing songs......meanwhile most the congregation have some evil spirit, or demon, latched onto them.
I asked myself these questions:
Why is no one laying hands on and actually healing people?
Why is no one casting out demons?
Why doesn't anyone seem to have any of these "gifts."
Was the Bible a lie?
Or.....have we missed something...
This lead me to my own path of enlightenment.
The answer I found...
The Holy Spirit.
Jesus had to die to send Him to us.
The church will tell you all about Jesus the Son. Everyone knows all about Jesus. The church will tell you about the Father. Everyone knows all kinds of stuff about the father. But, somehow most Christians, when asked about their relationship with the Holy Spirit seem to fall short in their understanding or knowledge of the Holy Spirit. Almost as if that part has been mostly left out.
The Holy Spirit comes with power and authority over demons, and evil spirits.
Tongues is the least of the gifts, and it comes with a language demons understand, and have to listen to because that's how they know that those words come from God Almighty. The least of the gifts comes with the power to cast out demons. And that's the least of it! Those who can be trusted with a little, can be trusted with a lot.
Those who can't be trusted with a little, even what they have will be taken.
I have grown quite a bit in my understanding of my original question here, and after stepping away from all the noise and opinions of religion, I can spot an evil spirit in someone pretty easily. Demons are more clever and harder to spot.
Anyone know any full blown narcissistic abusers? Ever notice how good they are at public relations, and how they can fool everyone into thinking theyre this amazing person, while all the while they are abusing the shit outta you?
Well, I've known one. Everyone loved him. Thought he was this "great guy." All while he was abusing me, like a monster, every. single. day. No one believed me. He made me out to be the liar.
That's a demon. Very clever little bastards. They fool many many people with their charms.
(11-03-2024, 06:42 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(11-03-2024, 04:32 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: If speaking in tongues is guided by the Holy Spirit, then if someone were to call it "witchcraft" instead, then they'd be guilty of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
Which is the only unforgivable sin. All blasphemy against the Father will be forgiven. All blasphemy against the Son will be forgiven. BUT...blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never* be forgiven. Not in this life or the next.
Matthew 12:21-32
Be very careful who it is you listen to, readers.
I stand by what I said for two reasons: 1) the IF you mention is of extreme importance in the matter, and 2) there is a vast difference in the way the ritual is used nowadays when compared to the events recorded in Acts. One is a demonstration of God's power, the other is... not.
Whether I am right or wrong about it, is, I suppose, a matter that will be taken up in due course between me and God. on Judgement Day
I will say that I have heard "tongues" spoken in a modern church which I could oddly understand, which was a real, if long dead language, and which words should never have been spoken in God's house. I have all the confidence I need that the utterance was in no way guided by the Holy Spirit, but by a more unclean spirit. There is no way that woman is likely to have had a working knowledge of the language she was speaking well enough to actually speak it.
There have been other times "tongues" were spoken in my presence that I could NOT understand, but which nevertheless raised my hackles. I cannot say for sure whether they were "clean" or "unclean" however, because in those cases I did not understand what was being said.
I was taught how to speak "tongues" on purpose, at will and on demand, and can do so, but never do. If even I don't understand what I am saying, then there is no practical purpose to it when both I and God have a common language which we can both understand. God can understand all languages, but there are very few that I can understand, so it seems to me best to stand on common ground so that one knows what he is saying when speaking to deity. Better safe than sorry.
Another example of witchcraft in the church is this: there is a specific verse, in Isaiah I believe although it may have been Ezekiel (it's been a long time, and though I was told the specific verse to use, I have long forgotten it), which has been used for generations, long before the Gardnerian Wiccans were even a gleam in Gerald Gardner's eye. I know for fact that it has been uttered as an incantation to stop uncontrolled bleeding, and have seen it done and that it worked. Is that "witchcraft"? It has all the hallmarks - a ritual incantation performed to achieve a specific goal, and it DID work. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that was "witchcraft" or not.
Remember, witches, like all religions, have their own gods. Does it make ritual and enchanting "ok" because of it's deity, while others are "not ok" simply because of theirs? Even though the nuts and bolts of the actions performed are indistinguishable, and only the deities called upon vary? I'll leave that for the individual to decide on their own. it's not my job to decide for them. That would be a matter of conscience between them and their God.
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If I believed someone was guilty of blaspheme against the Holy Spirit I wouldn't argue with them for any reason.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Ninurta - 11-03-2024
The angels encountered by Abraham, by Jacob, and by Lot were mistaken for men, which means that they must have had actual, physical, visible being at that point. In those cases, the Bible refers to them speicifically as "a man" or "men".
Paul says that many have entertained angels unawares, meaning that they must have been mistaken for human at those points, too. So, there is continuity up to at least relatively modern times, and no reason to suspect that may have changed.
So I have to conclude that they can be both physical and non-corporeal, as occasion demands. If that is true of angels, might it not also be true of other spiritual beings?
Jacob initially mistook his angel for a man, physical enough to wrestle with him, but then identified the angel as "God", and it is said that he "wrestled with God", physically. So it seems that angels are, in some way, manifestations of God when they are delivering messages from God. Seemingly something more than just a "mouthpiece for God" when delivering the messages. it seems that, in some way or in some part, they ARE God... or at least to be identified as such.
The nature of angels would be a fascinating area of study I think, and might lend insight into other areas of the spiritual realm.
Healing by a "laying on of hands" does still occur, but it's not as publicized as it once was. I know a man who can do it for others, but cannot do it for himself, which is something of a pity. The power to heal does not come from him, but comes from elsewhere, only through him as a conduit of some sort. He says when the power flows, he can feel it in his hands as a sort of warm, tingling sensation, leaving his hands and going into the target area as if it were a flow of something like electricity, some sort of power.
In regard to several of the "spiritual gifts", when the perfect comes, the imperfect disappears, because there is no further need of it. Certain knowledge destroys the need for faith, and that is not always a good thing.
I personally think there is a reason that science has not been able to verify spiritual things. I think it's because science and religion are two entirely different realms of inquiry, meant and designed to answer different questions. I doubt that science will ever be able to confirm or refute spiritual matters because, as I have often said, God does not jump through hoops for repeatable experiments as if it were some sort of lab rat, and repeatable, verifiable experiments are the bread and butter of science.
So, while technology may be able to capture the occasional bit of evidence, science as a whole will never be able to provide proof, and note that evidence and proof are two different things.
I think it would actually be counter-productive to provide proof of spiritual matters, because then a crucial element - faith - would be destroyed by proof. faith can move mountains, but proof can only move the hearts of skeptics, and those heart might not be supposed to be moved anyhow.
Therefore, faith is superior to proof, and should be sought all the more than it.
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RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - FlickerOfLight - 11-04-2024
(11-03-2024, 07:49 PM)Ninurta Wrote: The angels encountered by Abraham, by Jacob, and by Lot were mistaken for men, which means that they must have had actual, physical, visible being at that point. In those cases, the Bible refers to them speicifically as "a man" or "men".
Paul says that many have entertained angels unawares, meaning that they must have been mistaken for human at those points, too. So, there is continuity up to at least relatively modern times, and no reason to suspect that may have changed.
So I have to conclude that they can be both physical and non-corporeal, as occasion demands. If that is true of angels, might it not also be true of other spiritual beings?
Jacob initially mistook his angel for a man, physical enough to wrestle with him, but then identified the angel as "God", and it is said that he "wrestled with God", physically. So it seems that angels are, in some way, manifestations of God when they are delivering messages from God. Seemingly something more than just a "mouthpiece for God" when delivering the messages. it seems that, in some way or in some part, they ARE God... or at least to be identified as such.
The nature of angels would be a fascinating area of study I think, and might lend insight into other areas of the spiritual realm.
Healing by a "laying on of hands" does still occur, but it's not as publicized as it once was. I know a man who can do it for others, but cannot do it for himself, which is something of a pity. The power to heal does not come from him, but comes from elsewhere, only through him as a conduit of some sort. He says when the power flows, he can feel it in his hands as a sort of warm, tingling sensation, leaving his hands and going into the target area as if it were a flow of something like electricity, some sort of power.
In regard to several of the "spiritual gifts", when the perfect comes, the imperfect disappears, because there is no further need of it. Certain knowledge destroys the need for faith, and that is not always a good thing.
I personally think there is a reason that science has not been able to verify spiritual things. I think it's because science and religion are two entirely different realms of inquiry, meant and designed to answer different questions. I doubt that science will ever be able to confirm or refute spiritual matters because, as I have often said, God does not jump through hoops for repeatable experiments as if it were some sort of lab rat, and repeatable, verifiable experiments are the bread and butter of science.
So, while technology may be able to capture the occasional bit of evidence, science as a whole will never be able to provide proof, and note that evidence and proof are two different things.
I think it would actually be counter-productive to provide proof of spiritual matters, because then a crucial element - faith - would be destroyed by proof. faith can move mountains, but proof can only move the hearts of skeptics, and those heart might not be supposed to be moved anyhow.
Therefore, faith is superior to proof, and should be sought all the more than it.
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One question:
When did this "perfect" come?
The tongues of fire came after Jesus was dead and buried, and risen.
The Bible tells us to seek the gift of prophecy above all the others.
If perfection had come, then there'd be no need for these instructions, or the need to "desire or seek after" any of the gifts.
There is a major logical fallacy to what's been said about "perfection" having already come.....and gone, according to this ideology.
Which means there are many sections of the new Testament that no longer apply.
All the instructions on tongues and seeking the gift of prophecy no longer apply, if one follows this logic. That's taking out parts of the Bible. Imo
If I can cast out demons by speaking in tongues, and if the devil can't cast out the devil (a demon can't cast out another demon. This is what Jesus was accused of), then I ask....
Who's casting the demons out through me, through the "tongues of fire?"
It's a rhetorical question.
Satan can't cast out Satan.
I, myself, since authoring this thread, have cast out demons....by speaking in tongues.
So, if it's "witchcraft" that I'm using, and witchcraft that I hate and am fighting against....how is tht working?
Because the tongues of fire are still with us.....for this very reason.
Yes....people can fake speaking in dead languages. Any idiot can learn to fake it.The devil can and will do that without any hesitation. Especially of its a gift that can cast his minions out. This is why tongues has the most confusion behind it.
But....no one can "learn" a gift from God. It is given....not earned. Otherwise it wouldn't be a gift. That's like Simon the magician trying to buy the gift of the Holy Spirit.
And you can't just take out parts of the Bible. The Bible ends with every curse within its pages to fall on anyone who takes out anything from God's Word.
Perfection hasn't come.....yet. when all these lies are cast into that abyss, along with all these demons and evil spirits and blasphemers, after they are all tossed into that eternal fire, and completely gone from this existence....then perfection is here. And the Son of God will rule over us. Then, "perfection" will be here.
Seek afters God's gifts. The flesh is of no use at all.
This, unfortunately is something that can be argued till we're all blue in the face.
Most Christians don't even understand blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The church should of been teaching this all along. But, most have never even heard of this.
There's a good reason for that. It's by design.
Jesus was doing something good when he was casting that demon out. Something the Pharisees couldn't do themselves, because they had no authority over the spirits. So, instead of seeing it for the good He was doing, they called it evil. Said he had a demon. They were calling something that was good, and came from God, something evil that came from the devil.
Sound familiar?
Beware the leaven of the Pharisees.
The leaven Jesus was speaking of has already leavened the whole lump.
And people have pushed the Holy Spirit out. Along with any gift that might lead to the Truth.
Like I said, with where we are in time, with all this knowledge we supposedly posses, all of these accomplishments through science and medicine and computing speeds, you'd think we wouldn't be confused about something that people weren't confused about back when the Bible was being written.
It's like we've gotten dumber, as we've gotten smarter, somehow.
Lies built on top of lies.
Demons and evil spirits have the world as their playground.
We're the merry go rounds.
I wonder if someone like Rothschild is an actual demon in human form.
I wonder that about TPTB...
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - FlickerOfLight - 11-04-2024
I'd like to put up my conclusion for this thread. When I authored this thought up I was in the dark as to what I was seeing. Since then, I have learned that things like depression can be brought on by things like guilt or shame. Not facing ourselves, and the sins we've committed against others, by not facing these things we can bring depression upon ourselves. Sometimes it is just a side aeffect of evil.
In my case witchcraft being performed sometime in the past by family members for wealth has actually affected me and my family. Some members received a bounce back from their magic. God protected some of us. Other members of my family got a double dose of this evil because of how uncontrollable magic can be.
I learned that I have members of my family who are part of a secret society, that I won't name.
These people are the guilty ones.
From what I have gathered, from people way smarter than myself, and more experienced in this, is that a demon had attached itself to my mother and my father. I believe it was one that bounced between both of them. This demon guided them to be very abusive. In every way imaginable. I believe magic was attempted again, when I was younger to try and correct what had gone wrong.
More wealth was gained. Which brought even more evil down on myself, and my family. Most of us, including myself, are all innocent bystanders, who got caught up in this lust for money.
I watched my dad starve to death slowly due to digestive failure. I didn't realize it at the time, but I watched this demon be cast out from my dad due to the forced fasting that was caused by an ulcer. Apparently we can "starve a demon out" (the Bible states that fasting and prayer is the only way to cast out some demons)When this demon came out of my dad it attacked my mom twice as hard, as she normally had it. Which showed me what Jesus said, about casting out some demons. That they will return with seven more, more wicked than the original. I think the demon or demons that came out of dad went into my mother at that time.
I have witnessed this. Again, I didn't realize what I was seeing at the time.
This also taught me, when someone is possessed by a demon their body will deteriorate faster. We will become sick, and even more sick the more time the demon spends in us. I wondered if this is why they don't possess a body for too long at a time. Too long and the body dies, maybe?
I learned through all of this how subtle possessions can be. How the demon doesnt always show itself in full force. It comes and goes.
My dad got better for a little while before he died. I watched this demon come back to him as his body regained strength. And then, I believe it left him once his body and mind were to weak to "use."
I was able to cast some demons and evil spirits away from myself, and some other family members, by the Holy Spirit giving the command through whatever angel language that is they use. It was something that could be felt immediately, but not seen with the eyes. But, anyone in the room knew something left.
The reason why demons and evil spirits can run so freely in our lives and this world is, there are very few people with the Power to actually do anything about it. Otherwise the church would be casting out demons all day every day. They damn sure wouldn't wait till Sunday to do it, either.
Evil spirits are things like fear, coveting, lust, greed (etc); even anger can turn into an evil spirit, if acted upon. They just want to cause havoc.
Demons want to rule the world. They learned a lot from the Flood. They learned to operate in secret, and disguise. They use us, to do their will. Without the Holy Spirit we're completely susceptible to demon infestations. With all these demonic symbols being flashed at us at this point, we have all been marked in the subconscious mind to allow demons to enter. There are also certain people who are fighting against it. But, there's is a fight that is also done in secret. Hidden in plain sight.
They'll be poor people, servants, serving others just to eat. No one will suspect them because they are thought so little of. This is how God hides in plain sight. He has put his power in the meek and humble. Not the proud.
The first shall be last.
The last shall be first. And all that.
God works backwards compared to how the world operates. He does no operate in anything popular or boisterous. Right now, he is a whisper being drowned out by all these lies.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and will never lead anyone who is in their pride. Humility is where and how we find Him.
Jesus taught all of this. Religion has twisted this Truth.
As far as proving anything.....I'm good with just sharing my story. This is something most people won't believe. That's a good thing, since any real truth is rejected by the blind. If there's any truth to this, just because people reject it, it doesn't mean it's not truth. Faith is the FlickerOfLight that has lead me out of the darkness of this confusion we have about all of this. Unfortunately only the Holy Spirit can lead us to God's Truth.
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - Michigan Swamp Buck - 11-04-2024
There are common elements involved in rituals like prayer and spell-casting, the nuts-and-bolts if you will. Once you have isolated those elements and know how to use them, "magic" or "divine intervention" can happen. I suspect that the scientific study of physics has begun to understand these elements.
I could explain what I am talking about in more detail, but I don't want to encourage anyone to test it. Bottom line: If you impose your will upon reality, you are going against God's will. You will bear the yoke of creation and the consequences of wearing it. All I can say is, "Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it." I don't think anyone needs that Jini out of the bottle.
This reference may help explain what I am talking about.
Quote:The Lathe of Heaven, a 1971 science fiction novel by American writer Ursula K. Le Guin,
LINK
RE: A discussion on evil spirits and demonic possession - FlickerOfLight - 11-20-2024
True enlightenment comes from within, and if what is within is pure, then one can see the world for what it truly is.
I have spent a lifetime seeking knowledge and wisdom, from the Almighty creator.
Ten years ago I found Him, through His Holy Spirit, as I've mentioned.
I have never heard of this dude until now. I am not Muslim, nor am I advocating this man's faith, or where it comes from. All I know is the Christ, in which my source came from has brought me to these same conclusions; and a lot of it is mentioned throughout this thread.
This dude has a collective knowledge of all Abrahamic teachings and scrolls, as well as a good understanding of all religious practices.
I have a similar background, but am Christian.
This will open some eyes, if one goes in with an open mind.
https://youtu.be/nCbtQCikARY?si=tUap_JhoaZ7XiNAa
It's like I've been saying, and for me it is as clear as a bell to me, but this shift is coming, and the demonic realm, and this realm will be at war; which I believe will coincide with a global war, at the same time.
The elites have set it up.
Glad I'm prepared.
For Christians, I would suggest going back to the book of Acts, and studying the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Then search all of the texts, beyond what King James left, and what was taken out in 1804 (the apocrypha).
2 hour podcast, but worth it, if one seeks truth.
After almost a decade of study, introspection, Devine guidance by God, a knowledge of all the Abrahamic texts, I will say that this man's knowledge of all that is spot on. The conclusions he's come to are the same as the ones I've come up with. Sounds crazy, but it's right under our faces; and I've been noticing this my whole life without realizing it.
It's wild when I see someone I don't even know be guided to the same conclusions. This all lined up to this discussion. The guy doing the actual podcast is a blind idiot, but 30-45mins is enough to get the full scope of what he is saying. Spot on, with only the difference being in our faith, but same conclusions about what's going on in regards to demonic possessions in our modern lives.