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RE: Some more UFO stuff - Bally002 - 12-26-2024
(12-26-2024, 05:26 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: Grand Tower: UFOs and Other High Strangeness (1 hr) - narrated by Michael Huntington, a UFO researcher for 47 Years.
Also, streaming on TUBI
Was okay. Lotta talking about sightings. Never trusted Hynek. Specially after the Betz Sphere episode.
He was trusted with it and it returned different. Another story.
Pity these stories rely a lot on eyewitnesses who have since passed. Mostly 3rd or 4th party reviews. Prefer 1st person and perhaps some pics.
Otherwise, cheers mate.
Bally.
RE: Some more UFO stuff - BIAD - 12-26-2024
(12-26-2024, 06:02 AM)Bally002 Wrote: Was okay. Lotta talking about sightings. Never trusted Hynek...
I believe Hynek was pure swamp gas until the powers-that-be didn't require him anymore
and then he just jumped on the pro-UFO-train to gain an income. If his initial beliefs were
valid, he'd have never appeared in Spielberg's Encounter's movie.
INMHO.
RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 12-27-2024
(12-26-2024, 06:02 AM)Bally002 Wrote:(12-26-2024, 05:26 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: Grand Tower: UFOs and Other High Strangeness (1 hr) - narrated by Michael Huntington, a UFO researcher for 47 Years.
Also, streaming on TUBI
Was okay. Lotta talking about sightings. Never trusted Hynek. Specially after the Betz Sphere episode.
He was trusted with it and it returned different. Another story.
Pity these stories rely a lot on eyewitnesses who have since passed. Mostly 3rd or 4th party reviews. Prefer 1st person and perhaps some pics.
Otherwise, cheers mate.
Bally.
Unfortunately, many of these docu's that have been coming fast & furious the past few years are just rebranded & marketed with the same crap from decades ago. Every time I do a deep dive into these past characters I find many, most were either charlatans or working for or heavily influenced by shady characters from the intelligence community. Hynek was an adept in the mystery schools religion and I'm almost certain he was a Rosicrucian or one of their spin-offs. I'm thinking that his Rosicrucian alliances (like many in 'professional' ufology) overrode all others.
J. Allen Hynek apparently told LMH (the crop circles lady) a long time ago that all the answers to the UFO mystery could be found in the pages of Rudolf Steiner's "Theosophy!" (1910, revised 1994). The book is on Archive.org and I have the recording of LMH somewhere in my trove of files.
Here's a good old ATS thread https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread890908/pg1
Agree with BIAD. So many who at least appeared to be very respectable & knowledgeable hopped off the critical thinking research wagon and went straight for the money train. So many are co-opted by the intel community and/or the charlatan marketeers.
However, in the field of UFOlogy I've found you can't always throw the baby out with the bathwater. Little truth bits are intertwined in almost every story like with mythology. But as we know it's a damn labyrinth with many dead-ends and becomes quite exhausting. All the answers I think are buried back in the 40s & 50s.
The past 7 years we've seen it does not matter that they have holier than thou credentials nor how many PhD's they have nor how many decades they been in the UFO game.
When the Cold War ended the UFO hypermania went silent, it was a taboo subject for any mainstream journalist, UNTIL late 2017. Then after Russia invaded Ukraine the UFO subject went full throttle on steroids. UFOs to UAP and that term I don't think was working out like they wanted so now it's drones!
I wonder if DRONE is actually an intelligence acronym for some black project.
Wonder what it will become in 2025 with a new sheriff in Office.
RE: Some more UFO stuff - BIAD - 12-27-2024
(12-27-2024, 05:13 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: ...However, in the field of UFOlogy I've found you can't always throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Little truth bits are intertwined in almost every story like with mythology. But as we know it's a damn
labyrinth with many dead-ends and becomes quite exhausting.
All the answers I think are buried back in the 40s & 50s...
I always go back to the simple question of -if the classified experiment that certain factions of the military
named 'Operation Mogul' in New Mexico was so secret that they were willing to initially state that a
crashed disc was the cause of the debris on the Foster ranch back in '47, then why weren't those taking
part in the classified assessment looking for the remains?
Those taking part in the testing for high-altitude evidence of any Soviet nuclear use would've surely
monitored the alleged balloon and Rawin target device in some form? Even if the instruments were
deemed 'throw-away' after the experiment, the negligence to retrieve such apparatus could jeopardize
the restricted nature of the test.
To not inform the local military or publish a 'heads-up' in local newspapers for ranches in the area that
that this stuff was coming down on their properties would make sense if one was trying to keep the
test on the down-low.
But since there was a lack of haste to recover the fallen instruments, no attached tracking device to aid
such a reclamation and a vagueness in The Roswell Report to pin down the exact date that would align
with the Foster Ranch discovery, we're left with idea that whatever information was required from the
clandestine search of Soviet nuclear testing was received from the balloon and any aftermath wasn't a
deemed big deal in regards of anyone in the Chaves County area later obtaining proof that such a test
had taken place. The why deem it 'secret' for so long?
The alleged testing involving a neoprene material is said to have began in November of 1946 and is stated
in the Report to have ended in July of the following year. It is also proposed that Flight 4 of the experiment
became the actual material that came to rest on the Foster ranch and it was this weather-degraded bunch
of sticks and torn synthetic rubber that Mac Brazel found scaring his sheep away from a watering hole.
But still -if one goes along with the report that Flight 4 went airborne 4th June of 1947, it could again
surmised that the earth-bound return of the balloon wasn't that important in regards of security around
the tests.
Further, if one assumes the sensitive data was acquired during the flight of this balloon and any later
evidence of the covert mission wasn't deemed to be actual proof that such a secretive mission had
occurred, then why feel the need to transport the remains to Wright Patterson Airforce Base during
the media's revelation of what General Ramey had announced?
If the material was important after coming down, there's no indication it was being looked for and
from the official report, it seems there's an uncertainty whether anything confidential about the tests
was relayed to the Command of Roswell Army Base. Hell... they still can't figure out why or if it was
General Ramey who actually ordered Lieutenant Walter Haut to release the 'Flying Disc' story to the
media!
And so a sheep rancher -Mac Brazel, is later held for a few days by the military because he'd brought
something he believed was strange to Roswell's Sheriff Wilcox. Two military personnel -Cavitt and Marcel,
were dispatched by their Commander to check the ranch after the Sheriff had reported Brazel's findings.
Lt. Walter Haut was told after General Ramey's perusal of the debris to announce that a 'flying disk' was
found.
The month-old material at the Sheriff's office was confiscated, a military craft was ordered to fly the whole
now-crated discovery to another base and the media are informed a simple error occurred by a high-ranking
officer. Brazel was released and told to keep quiet about the shiny scraps that scared his sheep, the Proctors
-who were some of the first observers of Brazel's discovery, changed their stories and it took until 1995, that
all of this was seen baloney.
Yeah.
RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 12-28-2024
James Fox and his new film called "Phenomenon." Just found this posted as I have not seen it myself but do intend to watch or skim through this film.
RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 12-29-2024
Dive into the chilling details of how rogue military programs operate to retrieve UFOs, reverse-engineer advanced technology, and maintain secrecy at all costs. In this in-depth interview, former Marine Michael Herrera shares his insights into the inner workings of black budget operations and the shocking truth about their tactics, technology, and goals.
RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-01-2025
RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-02-2025
RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 01-04-2025
Re: Herrera interview, comments
First, for a former military person, he doesn't know how to be concise. The bullet points of what was discussed over two hours boils down to:
1) The deep state has an arm dedicated to luring and shooting down UFOs.
2) This group goes to great lengths to protect the secret of their existence including murder, etc.
3) This group possesses very advanced technology and don't want to give up that power by sharing the technology.
4) The operation of the actual UFO technology requires the use of humans who have "borderline psychic" capabilities. These people are somehow identified the world over, collected by the rogue group, and induced to help them operate the UFO technology.
5) Some of the people on the inside of this rogue group "want out" and have been leaking information in a controlled manner to other organizations within the government.
Basically, a break away civilization that hasn't completely broken away and still interfaces on some issues with the intel community and DoD in the USA.
Was interesting to listen to, but again, it took far too long to convey the basic themes.
Cheers--
RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-06-2025
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RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-12-2025
RE: Some more UFO stuff - F2d5thCav - 01-12-2025
Read an article yesterday ( https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/us-news/florida-flight-crew-astonished-to-see-glowing-objects-zig-zagging-at-45k-feet-over-the-bahamas/ ) concerning glowing green orbs seen by a flight crew. Immediately thought of Ninurta's recent comment regarding "return of the foo fighters".
Cheers
RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-15-2025
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RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-16-2025
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RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 01-17-2025
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