(06-24-2023, 07:39 PM)Kenzo Wrote: Maybe the show was gangland warfare---Russian style ?


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(06-24-2023, 07:39 PM)Kenzo Wrote: Maybe the show was gangland warfare---Russian style ?


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(06-24-2023, 02:39 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: If he is pissed because Russia did not give him ammo and shells, where are the ammo and shells he is going to need to go fight Russia?

Quote:If you are being paid to fight for someone, then that someone is in control. You think they broke the contract, then go home. I know it is not they simple, but there is nothing good, fair, or glorious in war.

Quote:I just don't think I would trust anyone that is we willing to fight and kill people that did nothing to them, for money. I just don't think they have any moral character to stand on.

Just my personal opinion.

Quote:Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries

By a. e. housman
 
These, in the days when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.


Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and the earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.

(06-24-2023, 09:24 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(06-24-2023, 02:39 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: If he is pissed because Russia did not give him ammo and shells, where are the ammo and shells he is going to need to go fight Russia?

Generally, you capture THEIR supplies and work with that. You find their supply lines, cut them, and then take what you've cut off from them.

Quote:If you are being paid to fight for someone, then that someone is in control. You think they broke the contract, then go home. I know it is not they simple, but there is nothing good, fair, or glorious in war.

That's kinda what they did - hefted their balls and bats, and headed for home. Armed. That's what the ruckus was all about. In the mercenary world, however, a "broken contract" often means someone is gonna pay for breaking it. They seem to be a bit less forgiving of breaches than corporate types.

Quote:I just don't think I would trust anyone that is we willing to fight and kill people that did nothing to them, for money. I just don't think they have any moral character to stand on.

Just my personal opinion.

I'm one of those amoral bastards, as are a couple of others here. We fought and took out "bad guys" just because they WERE bad guys - and in hopes that if we did it, our kids wouldn't have to deal with it later down the road. Those folks had "done nothing" to us personally, but they did plenty to other folks along their way, and that was enough for us. And we got paid to do it.

Quote:Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries

By a. e. housman
 
These, in the days when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.


Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and the earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.

Not our fault that our kids are gonna have to deal with it anyhow. It wasn't for lack of effort.

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(06-24-2023, 10:47 PM)Infolurker Wrote: This person wins the internet today it seems.


https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1672487248699305987

This is not a coup by Prigozhin. This is an inner war between the St Petersburg gang of Putin and the Moscow gang of Gerasimov and Shoigu. This is the beginning of Putin‘s election campaign to become reelected on March 17, 2024. His lapdog Prigozhin is masquerading a coup to put the blame on Gerasimov and Shoigu for losing the war against Ukraine. Prigozhin can always be scapegoated if he fails like this has happened in the past. #geopolitics #Velsig

Quote:    Businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian military of “missile strikes on the rear camps” of the Wagner PMC, as a result of which “a huge number of fighters” of the military company died. […]

    Prigozhin, citing a decision made by the Council of Commanders PMC Wagner, stated the following in a video appeal:

    “The evil that the military leadership of the country bears must be stopped! They neglect the lives of soldiers, they forgot the word ‘justice’ … Those who destroyed our guys and the lives of many tens of thousands of Russian soldiers will be punished. I ask you not to resist [Wagner].

Quote:All of Prigozhin’s claims are “entirely unfounded,” the body said in a statement, adding that the Federal Security Service (FSB) has “opened a criminal investigation on account of calling for an armed rebellion.”

“We demand the immediate end to all illegal activity,” the anti-terrorism committee stated.

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry accused Prigozhin of spreading falsehoods over a video circulating on social media that claimed the Russian military had attacked a base of Wagner fighters.

“A large number of our fighters died. We will decide how we will respond to this atrocity. The next step is ours,” Prigozhin said in a statement commenting on the alleged attack. He then vowed to march on Moscow and hold those responsible to account, warning the military to stay out of his way.

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Full disclosure: I have absolutely no idea what is going on. None. Maybe this is all an elaborate psyop to “trick the Ukies”. Or maybe we are entering Black Swan Mode. Or something in-between.

I do not know, and I do not pretend to know. I am relaying what I am seeing. Maybe everything will be resolved 15 minutes from now. But too late—I am going to bed.

Goodnight. Guys, please don’t do anything rash in the next 6-7 hours.

(06-25-2023, 05:20 AM)Ninurta Wrote: I think it might all have just been a tempest in a teapot. I think all the claims of a "Russian Civil War" were entirely overblown, but folks making those claims were probably taking their cues from the Kremlin, who were all huddling in corners and pissing themselves that some kind of "insurrection" was about to happen. Kinda like Dems did during the Jan 6 "insurrection", except this one had actual weapons involved - they were just not being pointed at the government.

I've not read or seen anything from Prigozhin threatening a governmental overthrow. He seems to just be highly pissed at a couple guys in the top brass that screwed over the mercenaries.