(03-02-2023, 08:29 PM)Chiefsmom Wrote: Interesting case for sure.
I'm certainly not buying, her "falling" into that river and drowning.

Someone knows something.

Poor lady.

Quote:Police divers return to River Wyre where Nicola Bulley was found

At the coroner’s request, Lancashire Police revisited the water where the 45-year-old’s body was found in
February for further investigation

'Police divers have been carrying out further investigations in the river where missing Nicola Bulley was found.
A team of officers from Lancashire Police revisited the River Wyre following a request from the coroner, who is
due to hold an inquest into the 45-year-old’s death later this year.

The mother of two vanished while walking her dog along the river bank close to St Michael’s on Wyre on the
morning of January 27. She had earlier dropped her daughters at school and her disappearance sparked a huge
search operation and intense media and public interest.

It subsequently emerged that she had been remotely logged into a Zoom meeting just before she disappeared.
There was speculation she may have fallen into the river while trying to rescue her pet dog Willow, but a witness
who found the dog a short time later reported that it was “bone dry”.

Police divers and specialists from a private firm scoured the river for three weeks but found no trace of her, leading
to speculation that there may have been another explanation for her disappearance.

Cause of death not confirmed
Her body was eventually discovered 23 days after she disappeared. It was lodged among undergrowth in the river
around a mile downstream from where she was last seen alive. The cause of death has not been confirmed.

During the investigation into her disappearance Lancashire Police came in for intense criticism after revealing personal
details about Ms Bulley. Detectives revealed that she had struggled with an alcohol problem brought on by the menopause
in the months before she vanished.

The force also revealed that officers had attended a report of concern for welfare at the home of Ms Bulley and her
partner Paul Ansell just over two weeks before she went missing. Three separate inquiries by the College of Policing,
the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) and the Information Commissioner have been launched to examine
the force's handling of the case.

Last week, a police dive team was spotted scouring the area close to where it is believed she may have entered the water.
The officers spent several hours wading around in the fast-flowing water and appearing to check the direction and flow of
the current. A spokesman for Lancashire Police said in a statement: “We can confirm we are carrying out some work on the
direction of HM coroner.” An inquest into Ms Bulley’s death is due to be held on June 26 at County Hall in Preston...'

Quote:'...Today, Lancashire Police confirmed coroners requested they re-search the river to get a "complete a picture"
of how the mum died. Police divers were seen combing through the water less than a mile from where Nicola,
45, was last seen on January 27...'

Quote:'...A specialist search was also launched by dive expert Peter Faulding, who used £50,000 sonar equipment to
scour the water. He later pulled out of the hunt, saying he did not believe Nicola was in the river as she could
have "stood up" if she fell in...'

Quote:Nicola Bulley sleuth Peter Faulding reveals bizarre claims he FOUND her body
6 minutes into hunt – but cops ignored him

Diving expert claims body had moved 'under cover of winter darkness'

'A diving "expert" has bizarrely claimed he found Nicola Bulley's body after just six minutes of searching
- but police ignored him. Peter Faulding was today slammed in a report into Lancashire Police's handling
of the case for causing "unwarranted distress".


Instead of being under the water, The Sun put Mr Faulding under the bus.

The so-called diving expert was called in to help with the search for Nicola, 45, after she vanished on
January 27. Her family had contacted his Specialist Group International (SGI) company after he branded
the police's equipment "low-level".

Mr Faulding today released an astonishing, seven-page statement claiming he found Nicola's body.
The expert, who has assisted police in missing person cases, said the discovery was made just six minutes
into a search of the River Wyre near where the mum was last seen by a bench.

Mr Faulding claimed he was "totally sure" the shape was a human as it was "the shadows of two arms and
two legs". He said he informed the police, who told him the "target" was nothing, so he "conceded that
maybe I was wrong". Mr Faulding later said Nicola was "categorically not" in the water where police were
certain she had fallen in. But in today's statement, the diver claims he revisited his sonar readings and was
certain he had found Nicola.

He said: "It became clear when enhancing the images with the sonar software tools that the target which
I had located was without a doubt Nicola. "I had in fact found Nicola at 10.34am on 7th February 2023
after just 6 minutes of searching."

Nicola's body was discovered on February 19 - three weeks after she vanished.
The tragic find was made less than a mile from where Mr Faulding had entered the water and claimed to
discover the body. He put the distance down to Nicola floating down the river "under the cover of winter
darkness" and into the tidal section.

His claims come as the report today found Lancashire Police felt some of his behaviour and activities
"caused challenges to the investigation". Although police were wary of using Mr Faulding, they feared
a negative response so gave permission for him to carry out a search. As a result, The Sun and other
publications quoted him as he was presented as a legitimate expert helping the search.

But Mr Faulding informed Nicola's family he had identified a "body deposition site", which police later
said caused unwarranted distress and false alarm. The expert later said Nicola was "categorically not"
in the water where the force repeatedly said she fell in. After her body was discovered, Mr Faulding
claimed he was "not tasked to search the reeds".

The report said: "It is the view of Lancashire Constabulary that Mr Faulding had a significant impact on
the investigation and public confidence through his activities and his engagement with the media.
"The review team considers that some of his actions created a more challenging environment for the
investigation team. "His public statements often contradicted the investigative and operational approach,
leading to confusion for the public and reducing the family's trust in the investigation and search operation."

The 143-page report put forward 17 recommendations as it criticised the force for “insufficient focus” and
errors of judgement. It found the disclosure of personal details about Nicola’s life was “avoidable and
unnecessary”. The force sparked fury when it revealed information about Nicola’s struggle with alcohol
and the perimenopause.

Nicola's disappearance gripped the nation after it was revealed her mobile was found on a bench by the
river still connected to a work conference call. Her pet springer spaniel Willow was also discovered - but
there was no trace still of the mum-of-two.

The case saw the tiny village of St Michael’s on Wyre flooded with amateur sleuths all desperate to solve
the mystery. Front gardens were trampled on by social media ghouls and family and friends targeted as
rumours reached fever pitch. The disclosure by police that Nicola had "vulnerabilities" added fuel to speculation
surrounding her disappearance.

An inquest in the summer ruled Nicola's death was an accident after she fell in the water and suffered
"cold water shock".

Mr Faulding was not invited to give evidence at the inquest.
Chief Constable Andy Marsh, who leads the College of Policing, said: “Throughout our work we have had
Nicola’s family and friends in our thoughts.

“The purpose of the review was not to attribute blame but identify areas of learning for the constabulary and
wider policing. “The decision to not call the investigation a critical incident, despite it meeting the national
definition, set the tone within the constabulary and led to several challenges. “The most notable of these was
the way the constabulary released personal information about Nicola which was avoidable and unnecessary.

“While we have not shied away from criticism, there are also many areas of Lancashire Constabulary’s
response that should be commended, including an exemplary investigation and a well-conducted search.
“At the heart of the investigation was Nicola. I am left in no doubt that she and her family were foremost
in the minds of officers and staff throughout the search.”...'

Quote:Lancashire Police pays tribute to chief who took key role in search for missing mother Nicola Bulley
after his sudden 'medical-related' death aged 50

*Assistant Chief Constable Peter Lawson, 50, passed away at his home on Sunday


Razors not applicable.

'Lancashire Constabulary has paid tribute to a chief constable who played a key role in the search for
Nicola Bulley following his sudden death. Assistant Chief Constable Peter Lawson, 50, who was
described as an 'outstanding officer who served the communities of Lancashire with pride', passed
away at his home on Sunday.

His death is believed to be 'medical-related' and has been referred to the coroner, the force said.
The 'highly respected and admired' officer started his career in Preston before serving all over the county
in a variety of uniformed roles.

He took a high profile role during the search for the missing mother earlier this year and was also
involved in the policing of many other high-profile events and incidents during his career, from
sporting occasions to protests and large civic events.

Mr Lawson appeared at press conferences during the search for Ms Bulley, who disappeared after
dropping her two daughters at school in St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire, earlier this year. Her body
was found in the River Wyre on February 19, about a mile from where she vanished while walking
her dog in St Michael's on Wyre, on January 27.

The force was criticised over its handling of the investigation and the disclosure of Ms Bulley's
personal information. Mr Lawson also gave evidence to the Manchester Arena terror attack inquiry...'

Quote:Gaynor Lord: Body found in search for missing Norwich mum

'Police who found a body in the search for missing Gaynor Lord do not suspect any "third-party involvement".
Divers made the discovery on Friday morning in the River Wensum in Norwich - a week after the mother of
three was last seen.


Ms. Gaynor Lord.

Formal identification has not taken place but the 55-year-old's family has been informed.
Ch Supt Dave Buckley said it remained a missing persons inquiry.

He said: "Whilst we establish her identity, our thoughts are with Gaynor's family at this difficult and distressing
time. "We have specialist family liaison officers supporting the family and keeping them updated with what we
are doing at all stages. "We remain open-minded to the circumstances of Gaynor's disappearance and will
continue to pursue all lines of inquiry to ascertain why she went missing.

"I am keen to say that this remains a missing person inquiry at this stage. I am also satisfied, at the moment,
based on the evidence we have, that Gaynor did not meet anybody on the way to the park and we now have a
better understanding of her movements through the city centre."
He said a post-mortem examination would now take place.

"I would reiterate at this stage, there is no evidence of third part involvement - nothing in our inquiries has changed
this position," he added. Ms Lord was reported after her belongings were found in Wensum Park. Two members of
the police dive team were seen recovering a body from the river in Norwich after marking the area of water with an
orange buoy.

Previous searches had focused on the river close to Wensum Park where a member of the public reported seeing
a woman matching Ms Lord's description at about 16:00 GMT last Friday. Ms Lord was reported missing after
failing to return home from Jarrolds department store in Norwich where she worked on a gin counter as a retail
assistant.



CCTV footage showed her leaving work more than an hour earlier than expected before hurrying through the city
on foot. She spent 33 minutes in the grounds of Norwich Cathedral before heading in the direction of Wensum
Park via St Augustines Street. Moments later, a member of the public reported seeing a woman matching Ms
Lord's description in the park doing a "yoga pose". On Thursday, police said there was a "high probability" that
Ms Lord had entered the water and that her disappearance was "out of character".

Her family will "continue to be supported" by specially trained officers, Norfolk police confirmed.
Ms Lord's children had previously posted on social media and said "we want her home". A large search operation
has been underway since her belongings, including clothing, two rings and a mobile phone were found scattered
across Wensum Park.

Norfolk Fire and Rescue has been helping the search, assisted by Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service's specialist
underwater drone. Three types of sonar - a technique that uses sound to detect objects - have been used...'

Quote:Alex Batty: Teen from Oldham missing for six years found in France

'A 17-year-old British boy missing for six years has been found in France.
Alex Batty is at a young person's centre in Toulouse and could be back in the UK within hours, the
prosecutors' office in the city told the BBC.


Alex Batty, centre, disappeared with his mother, Melanie Batty, and grandfather, David Batty.

Alex used a motorist's phone to message his grandmother in the UK, saying "I love you, I want to
come home". He had been missing since 2017, but was found on Wednesday morning by the
motorist who spotted him walking through rain near Toulouse.

The boy disappeared after going on holiday with his mother and grandfather in Spain.
The pair, who do not have parental guardianship of Alex, have not been located but remain wanted
in connection with his disappearance.

A police source earlier told BBC News the boy had been taken to a police station by the concerned
motorist who had spotted him on a road in the foothills of the Pyrenees early on Wednesday morning.
The motorist, delivery driver Fabien Accidini, saw Alex walking along a road in the foothills of the
Pyrenees in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

"He explained that he had been walking for four days, that he set off from a place in the mountains,
though he didn't say where," Mr Accidini said. "I typed his name into the internet and saw that he
was being looked for," he said.

Mr Accidini told local media Alex's plan had been to find a big city with an embassy to find assistance.
Instead, Mr Accidini contacted French authorities for help. Alex used Mr Accidini's Facebook account
to contact his grandmother back in the UK. He wrote: "Hello Grandma, it's me Alex. I'm in France
Toulouse. I really hope that you receive this message. I love you, I want to come home."

The boy said he had been in France for two years, the police source said, adding that he bore a
resemblance to the last known picture of Alex. He had been living in the remote Pyrenean valleys,
travelling about from place to place in a kind of itinerant commune.

The area in the foothills of the Pyrenees is known for attracting people in search of alternative lifestyles.
Alex won't say where his mother is or exactly where he had been living in the Pyrenees, the prosecutors'
office told the BBC. His grandmother - and legal guardian - Susan Caruana told The Sun newspaper she
had now been in touch with Alex. "I am so happy. I have spoken to him and he is well," she said. "It is
such a shock."

Ms Caruana told the BBC in 2018 that she believed Alex's mother Melanie Batty and grandfather David
Batty had taken him to live with a spiritual community in Morocco. She said at the time they were seeking
an alternative lifestyle and did not want Alex to go to school. Melanie and David Batty left Greater Manchester
with Alex for a pre-agreed week-long holiday to Marbella in Spain on 30 September 2017.

He was last seen at the Port of Malaga on 8 October that year, the day they were expected to return to the UK.
British police were contacted via the UK embassy in Paris. Greater Manchester Police confirmed it was in
touch with French authorities to put "safeguarding measures in place".

"This is a complex and long-running investigation, and we need to make further enquiries as well as putting
appropriate safeguarding measures in place," a spokesperson said. In a statement, the Foreign, Commonwealth
and Development Office (FCDO) said: "We are supporting a British national in France and are in contact with
local authorities."...'

(02-17-2023, 05:17 PM)ABNARTY Wrote: OK...

So they claim her going through menopause may be a factor in the disappearance. I do not live in England but do women going through menopause frequently disappear over there? A 'middle aged women's graveyard' type of thing where they all go to expire? 

They claim she drank. Very odd for England if I remember correctly   . People drinking that is. Again I ask the same line of question; is there a large population of missing people who enjoy beer? (Or hard cider as was my favorite at the time)

I am not Jacques Cousteau but that looked like a rather quiet looking creek. No raging torrent's carrying unsuspecting menopausal beer lovers to their doom. It should be pretty easy to determine if there is a body in there or not. Why would the local police want to die on that untenable hill? 

High Risk? A middle aged woman walking her dog after dropping off the kids? That's classified as high risk in Lancashire? Did they have frequent run-ins with her previously? Was she running drugs and shooting up the streets? Trafficking minors? Was she a member of the mob? A hit-woman? Seems a little over board if you ask me. 

Of course I am not there. I never met the woman. I never met the police in Lancashire. I have never been to the park in question. Never swam in the river. But the story sounds flimsy.

(12-18-2023, 03:07 PM)CoyoteAngel Wrote: First thing I thought, beer guzzling menopausal 45year old women dont look like the young beauty in the picture.  ....