(06-24-2024, 11:11 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: That sounds like the old RT. If he has been like that more recently, perhaps I was wrong. He is spouting a lot of propaganda lately and seems pretty heavy handed in his approach too. Maybe it is still the old RT and he has had something happen, or not, it just seems like it isn't him to me.

(06-24-2024, 02:53 AM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Earlier today, an ATS member created a thread in the Board Business and Questions Forum about getting everyone's attention on a serious matter. He said that at the end of one of his posts, it was edited. It includes another two paragraphs of comments he never made.

(06-27-2024, 12:23 AM)xuenchen Wrote: Another ATS "Problem" is anyone who joined with a new account around June 1st and later can't receive an initial password to login!!!! That means no new members are being allowed. They claim it's a server glitch. The problem is verified by going to the Members list and going to the last page then backing to around June 1st. No posts from any new Members!!! ROFLOLz 

(06-27-2024, 02:01 AM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote:

(06-27-2024, 12:23 AM)xuenchen Wrote: Another ATS "Problem" is anyone who joined with a new account around June 1st and later can't receive an initial password to login!!!! That means no new members are being allowed. They claim it's a server glitch. The problem is verified by going to the Members list and going to the last page then backing to around June 1st. No posts from any new Members!!! ROFLOLz 

I see, in the List of ATS members in good standing, page 6533. But even those members who joined back in May, who have posts and threads listed on the Members Page, don't have a profile. I searched the members and found my old and new profiles, but not the latest members' profiles apparently.

It was glitching out way before June though, before April even, with some of the new members having their last visit on December 31, 1969.

(07-03-2024, 06:50 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: I've been watching that site and there is all kinds of weirdness going on there now. Everything from the highly political content to all those new users who have taken over and are now controlling that narrative. 

I did do a little experiment for this thread. I've been playing with a new tracker blocker, vpn, anti-hacker software. It basically shows me how many trackers and weird things it has going on with the site. My results were quite interesting. 

First off, I tried rogue-nation. 
Got nothing at all. Natta. Zip.

I jumped on ATS, and it was like watching fireworks go off with all kinds of blocks of trackers and other weird stuff that it just blocks for me.

Thennnnn I went to denyignorance.com....
My blocker went crazy and about crashed my phone. 

Wow. That was wild.

Stay off those sites.


Either this site is actually "clean," or the designer of the site is a master of digital disguise. 

I'd highly recommend staying off of denyignorance.com. 

Js

ETA: at first I didn't think anything of it, but something kept nagging at me. I did some more experimenting.

Any site I go to my "things blocked" goes up. Some go up as low as 6 particular trackers, or adds or  something suspicious, or as high as denyignorance.com which jumped up to 223 things blocked. But every site I got some reaction from.

Except this one.

Each time I come here and leave, natta. As if I hadn't even been on a site. But the 20 other places I just visited got something.

Weird...

(07-03-2024, 09:32 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(07-03-2024, 06:50 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: I've been watching that site and there is all kinds of weirdness going on there now. Everything from the highly political content to all those new users who have taken over and are now controlling that narrative. 

I did do a little experiment for this thread. I've been playing with a new tracker blocker, vpn, anti-hacker software. It basically shows me how many trackers and weird things it has going on with the site. My results were quite interesting. 

First off, I tried rogue-nation. 
Got nothing at all. Natta. Zip.

I jumped on ATS, and it was like watching fireworks go off with all kinds of blocks of trackers and other weird stuff that it just blocks for me.

Thennnnn I went to denyignorance.com....
My blocker went crazy and about crashed my phone. 

Wow. That was wild.

Stay off those sites.


Either this site is actually "clean," or the designer of the site is a master of digital disguise. 

I'd highly recommend staying off of denyignorance.com. 

Js

ETA: at first I didn't think anything of it, but something kept nagging at me. I did some more experimenting.

Any site I go to my "things blocked" goes up. Some go up as low as 6 particular trackers, or adds or  something suspicious, or as high as denyignorance.com which jumped up to 223 things blocked. But every site I got some reaction from.

Except this one.

Each time I come here and leave, natta. As if I hadn't even been on a site. But the 20 other places I just visited got something.

Weird...

Why do you think that is?

I severely decreased my internet footprint, only because the whole place is just an echo chamber set up for the purpose of brainwashing us all to be willful but controlled pawns and syncophants.

The internet is not a safe place, and though I have no clue how to get there, it is beginning to look like the dark web is safer.

At least when you walk into a shithouse, you know what you are going to find.

(07-03-2024, 10:34 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: Time's they is a'changin'. Damn internet isnt even reliable to get information from anymore. Not safe to do anything. 

(06-24-2024, 09:09 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(06-24-2024, 08:48 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Russia, or whomever, I'm not certain. Maybe it is just a feeling that on ATS these days, something is lurking around the corner, ready to pounce on its next victims. It is run down and seedy like it has become some nasty alleyway you avoid at all times day or night. Or it is like some speakeasy after-hours type bar where the bouncers kick you out because one of the regulars doesn't like how you look.

I joined ATS in 2009. I still lurk for brief periods. Since I long opted out of joining any new sites, forums, and apps, I chose not to re-sign up with ATS.

I admit that it does not feel the same. Many posts from the old timers don't always sound like them, at times, and it does feel more like the old park or tavern where everyone hung out until they went off to university. That they visit when they come home for nostalgia's sake, but there is not real connection anymore.

I miss a lot of the members, the site, not so much.

(07-03-2024, 05:41 PM)RichardHurt Wrote:

(06-24-2024, 09:09 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(06-24-2024, 08:48 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Russia, or whomever, I'm not certain. Maybe it is just a feeling that on ATS these days, something is lurking around the corner, ready to pounce on its next victims. It is run down and seedy like it has become some nasty alleyway you avoid at all times day or night. Or it is like some speakeasy after-hours type bar where the bouncers kick you out because one of the regulars doesn't like how you look.

I joined ATS in 2009. I still lurk for brief periods. Since I long opted out of joining any new sites, forums, and apps, I chose not to re-sign up with ATS.

I admit that it does not feel the same. Many posts from the old timers don't always sound like them, at times, and it does feel more like the old park or tavern where everyone hung out until they went off to university. That they visit when they come home for nostalgia's sake, but there is not real connection anymore.

I miss a lot of the members, the site, not so much.

Since ATS went off the rails it has been hunting grounds for the far right. I have spoken with members that are still active on those threads and both of them go out of ones way to report any member leaning left as posting offensive material. Even a temp ban is perm now. And there is no remedy to get out of a temp ban nor a way to create a new account. It is a echo chamber done by design by a few members exploiting the current lack of system support. And as far as I can tell from lurking the mods don't seem to mind or maybe even support it.

(06-24-2024, 02:53 AM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: I've noticed no difference in RT , I believe he is Russian and may be closer to the Kremlin then we think , not inside but connections as he is a journalist.

The Troll posted a thread in Politicians and People a couple of days ago regarding Zelensky's wife and the Bugatti Turbillon she was alleged to have bought complete with a receipt from Bugatti , it's fake news and the evidence to show it's fake news was posted by a couple of members but even after being outed as Russian propaganda the thread still remains , ATS may have been saved for another year but nobody (Mods) seems to care anymore they're just happily pushing their new baby.
 

(07-03-2024, 06:50 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: I've been watching that site and there is all kinds of weirdness going on there now. Everything from the highly political content to all those new users who have taken over and are now controlling that narrative. 

I did do a little experiment for this thread. I've been playing with a new tracker blocker, vpn, anti-hacker software. It basically shows me how many trackers and weird things it has going on with the site. My results were quite interesting. 

First off, I tried rogue-nation. 
Got nothing at all. Natta. Zip.

I jumped on ATS, and it was like watching fireworks go off with all kinds of blocks of trackers and other weird stuff that it just blocks for me.

Thennnnn I went to denyignorance.com....
My blocker went crazy and about crashed my phone. 

Wow. That was wild.

Stay off those sites.


Either this site is actually "clean," or the designer of the site is a master of digital disguise. 

I'd highly recommend staying off of denyignorance.com. 

Js

ETA: at first I didn't think anything of it, but something kept nagging at me. I did some more experimenting.

Any site I go to my "things blocked" goes up. Some go up as low as 6 particular trackers, or adds or  something suspicious, or as high as denyignorance.com which jumped up to 223 things blocked. But every site I got some reaction from.

Except this one.

Each time I come here and leave, natta. As if I hadn't even been on a site. But the 20 other places I just visited got something.

Weird...

(07-04-2024, 09:57 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Most are either in denial, or deliberately ignorant of just how deep we have sunk in the quicksand.

As @"Ninurta"#2 said. Resistance is futile. Even if you go cold turkey and cut the cord, they will still be watching you. They are still in control.

(07-04-2024, 10:29 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(07-04-2024, 09:57 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Most are either in denial, or deliberately ignorant of just how deep we have sunk in the quicksand.

As @"Ninurta"#2 said. Resistance is futile. Even if you go cold turkey and cut the cord, they will still be watching you. They are still in control.

Actually, "going dark" paradoxically puts a spotlight on you, and draws "their" attention TO you. They want to know suddenly WHY you are going dark - what you may be hiding, or who you may be hiding FROM. It actually cause them to suddenly concentrate on you, in order to find out more about you and what you may be up to.

They will then find alternative means to dig into you, your life, your history, and your activities, and they will concentrate more fully on you.

It's just the way a Surveillance State works. They get you to spy on yourself, and report back in.

"We have met the Stasi,and they are us".

It's better to leave a false breadcrumb trail than it is to go completely dark. That allows you to blend into the crowd, and keeps them from developing too much inordinate interest in you.

As an example, I became an object of curiosity because I did not have a "smart phone" when everyone else did. They wondered why it was that I didn't particularly care to be tracked via an omnipresent smart phone link to the Borg Collective. The solution was not to go even darker, it was to GET a "smart phone", and then meticulously control where it went and what it did to reassure them that I was not really very interesting. My smart phone does not go everywhere I do. It only goes to the grocery store, the doctor's office, and home. I have a very boring life... because my phone does not go anywhere else that I might go. I don't turn it off or pull out the battery, because that would excite more interest. Instead, I leave it laying at home, turned on but not moving, whenever I go where there may be dragons.

Turning the phone off or pulling the battery excites interest - It's just a form of temporarily "going dark", which piques their curiosity. So I leave it on, but laying at home, so that they "know" that I'm sitting there watching TV or something, just being my usual boring self. After all, who goes out and about these days without taking their phone with them? Therefore I MUST be sitting at home, doing nothing. Right?

It goes to the grocery store and the doctor's office with  me just like everyone else, so clearly it MUST be joined to my hip like a Siamese Twin just like everyone else, right?

If my phone is at home, and my TV is on serving targeted ads to me, then clearly I MUST be sitting at home watching TV, right?

Nor do I surf the web on it, or anything of the sort. I use it ONLY to talk to people, or to take the occasional photo. Then I make sure they know I am just a boring Luddite, and the reason it's not being used for other purposes is because "I don't know how". Us Old Farts can get away with that, because it fits the stereotype, it fits their "profile" and makes it make sense to them.

Problem solved, curiosity laid to rest. Just another boring day in Retirementville. Don't watch that one too closely, because his life is so boring it could put you to sleep! We have all the evidence of how boring he is right here - one trip a week to the grocery store, one trip every couple of months to the doctor's office, and the rest of the time he's at home watching TV...

.

(07-05-2024, 03:27 AM)nerb Wrote:

(07-04-2024, 10:29 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(07-04-2024, 09:57 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Most are either in denial, or deliberately ignorant of just how deep we have sunk in the quicksand.

As @"Ninurta"#2 said. Resistance is futile. Even if you go cold turkey and cut the cord, they will still be watching you. They are still in control.

Actually, "going dark" paradoxically puts a spotlight on you, and draws "their" attention TO you. They want to know suddenly WHY you are going dark - what you may be hiding, or who you may be hiding FROM. It actually cause them to suddenly concentrate on you, in order to find out more about you and what you may be up to.

They will then find alternative means to dig into you, your life, your history, and your activities, and they will concentrate more fully on you.

It's just the way a Surveillance State works. They get you to spy on yourself, and report back in.

"We have met the Stasi,and they are us".

It's better to leave a false breadcrumb trail than it is to go completely dark. That allows you to blend into the crowd, and keeps them from developing too much inordinate interest in you.

As an example, I became an object of curiosity because I did not have a "smart phone" when everyone else did. They wondered why it was that I didn't particularly care to be tracked via an omnipresent smart phone link to the Borg Collective. The solution was not to go even darker, it was to GET a "smart phone", and then meticulously control where it went and what it did to reassure them that I was not really very interesting. My smart phone does not go everywhere I do. It only goes to the grocery store, the doctor's office, and home. I have a very boring life... because my phone does not go anywhere else that I might go. I don't turn it off or pull out the battery, because that would excite more interest. Instead, I leave it laying at home, turned on but not moving, whenever I go where there may be dragons.

Turning the phone off or pulling the battery excites interest - It's just a form of temporarily "going dark", which piques their curiosity. So I leave it on, but laying at home, so that they "know" that I'm sitting there watching TV or something, just being my usual boring self. After all, who goes out and about these days without taking their phone with them? Therefore I MUST be sitting at home, doing nothing. Right?

It goes to the grocery store and the doctor's office with  me just like everyone else, so clearly it MUST be joined to my hip like a Siamese Twin just like everyone else, right?

If my phone is at home, and my TV is on serving targeted ads to me, then clearly I MUST be sitting at home watching TV, right?

Nor do I surf the web on it, or anything of the sort. I use it ONLY to talk to people, or to take the occasional photo. Then I make sure they know I am just a boring Luddite, and the reason it's not being used for other purposes is because "I don't know how". Us Old Farts can get away with that, because it fits the stereotype, it fits their "profile" and makes it make sense to them.

Problem solved, curiosity laid to rest. Just another boring day in Retirementville. Don't watch that one too closely, because his life is so boring it could put you to sleep! We have all the evidence of how boring he is right here - one trip a week to the grocery store, one trip every couple of months to the doctor's office, and the rest of the time he's at home watching TV...

.

Nice to see another person who doesn't live by a mobile and that they are the smart one not the phone.

Personally, I believe our footprint with those things is all about habit. If we break from our habit, that's what peaks the interest of an algorithm.

Right from the start when I got a smartphone it ONLY follows me out and about when I have taken a picture of g**gle maps on my pc screen and need to find an address when seeking. I don't use it for any kind of online anything. Otherwise it is always switched off and sitting on a table except when I am forced to receive a text with a code to prove I am who I am while logging in to various sites, for an alarm clock or as a camera.

I also have a rubbish signal where I am in the middle of nowhere here in rural France so that's a put off for starters.

Tiny weeny footprint that hardly moves. Flying under the radar so to speak.

Regarding ATS, I have over the years deleted all and any images I had uploaded and given it a rest for a while after the few times I got annoyed at how it was being run and needed to cut the cord. I go back and I start again with a clean slate and then begin uploading any relevant images for my new postings, mainly my art. So I have never really screwed up a thread by creating blank spaces in anything important.

I am a Phoenix. I crash and burn and rise again... lol

I rose here. Nice calm place.

Cheers.

(07-04-2024, 10:29 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(07-04-2024, 09:57 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Most are either in denial, or deliberately ignorant of just how deep we have sunk in the quicksand.

As @"Ninurta"#2 said. Resistance is futile. Even if you go cold turkey and cut the cord, they will still be watching you. They are still in control.

Actually, "going dark" paradoxically puts a spotlight on you, and draws "their" attention TO you. They want to know suddenly WHY you are going dark - what you may be hiding, or who you may be hiding FROM. It actually cause them to suddenly concentrate on you, in order to find out more about you and what you may be up to.

They will then find alternative means to dig into you, your life, your history, and your activities, and they will concentrate more fully on you.

It's just the way a Surveillance State works. They get you to spy on yourself, and report back in.

"We have met the Stasi,and they are us".

It's better to leave a false breadcrumb trail than it is to go completely dark. That allows you to blend into the crowd, and keeps them from developing too much inordinate interest in you.

As an example, I became an object of curiosity because I did not have a "smart phone" when everyone else did. They wondered why it was that I didn't particularly care to be tracked via an omnipresent smart phone link to the Borg Collective. The solution was not to go even darker, it was to GET a "smart phone", and then meticulously control where it went and what it did to reassure them that I was not really very interesting. My smart phone does not go everywhere I do. It only goes to the grocery store, the doctor's office, and home. I have a very boring life... because my phone does not go anywhere else that I might go. I don't turn it off or pull out the battery, because that would excite more interest. Instead, I leave it laying at home, turned on but not moving, whenever I go where there may be dragons.

Turning the phone off or pulling the battery excites interest - It's just a form of temporarily "going dark", which piques their curiosity. So I leave it on, but laying at home, so that they "know" that I'm sitting there watching TV or something, just being my usual boring self. After all, who goes out and about these days without taking their phone with them? Therefore I MUST be sitting at home, doing nothing. Right?

It goes to the grocery store and the doctor's office with  me just like everyone else, so clearly it MUST be joined to my hip like a Siamese Twin just like everyone else, right?

If my phone is at home, and my TV is on serving targeted ads to me, then clearly I MUST be sitting at home watching TV, right?

Nor do I surf the web on it, or anything of the sort. I use it ONLY to talk to people, or to take the occasional photo. Then I make sure they know I am just a boring Luddite, and the reason it's not being used for other purposes is because "I don't know how". Us Old Farts can get away with that, because it fits the stereotype, it fits their "profile" and makes it make sense to them.

Problem solved, curiosity laid to rest. Just another boring day in Retirementville. Don't watch that one too closely, because his life is so boring it could put you to sleep! We have all the evidence of how boring he is right here - one trip a week to the grocery store, one trip every couple of months to the doctor's office, and the rest of the time he's at home watching TV...

.