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RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-18-2023

If I were an ancient sculpture of stone wanting to depict someone who could fly I would probably picture the person as a god or a person with wings; just as those throughout history have done.



RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-18-2023




RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-18-2023

"I Will Declassify ALL ALIEN & UFO Intelligence On DAY ONE...unless there is some compelling reason not to." - RFK Jr.



  Rule #1: avoid airplanes & watch out for the "magic bullet".


The David Grusch effect is spreading Worldwide.

Chinese media now reporting:

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https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/637735556


RE: Some more UFO stuff - A51Watcher2 - 06-20-2023



https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government10.htm


RE: Some more UFO stuff - A51Watcher2 - 06-21-2023

As a followup to the previous video for those not aware of the Wilbert Smith connection to UFO history, here is a link to the original Canadian involvement via Wilbert Smith and Robert Sarbacher -


Robert Sarbacher Confirms UFO Crash Rumors

https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government10.htm


RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-21-2023




RE: Some more UFO stuff - A51Watcher2 - 06-21-2023




RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-21-2023




RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-22-2023

CONGRESS & UFOs: The Senate Intelligence Committee has already approved new UFO/UAP language, and the Armed Services Committee is likely to do so within days. Details are not yet public, but it looks like a stepped-up search for secret SAPs.

Quote:Senate committees advancing new language seeking possible secret UFO-tech programs

The Intelligence and Armed Services committees of the U.S. Senate appear to be stepping up their efforts to uncover any secret government programs that may exist to study devices or manufactured material of unearthly origin.

On June 14, 2023, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) approved an Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for Fiscal Year 2024 that contains UAP-related language proposed by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), who apparently expects to win approval of compatible language in the Senate Armed Services Committee within days. Gillibrand sits on both committees.  

The texts of Gillibrand's amendments have not yet been made public, but she revealed her general intent in an interview with Matt Laslo of WIRED, published on June 13, 2023. Laslo reported that the senator intended to seek approval on the FY 2024 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of a "mandate that no money can be spent on SAPs [Special Access Programs] unless it's been reported to Congress." The Senate Armed Services Committee begins a series of closed-door amending sessions (called "mark ups") on the NDAA today (June 21, 2023), which are expected to conclude on June 23. In recent years the committee's leadership and membership have advanced into law several expansive UAP-related measures, with bipartisan support.

Laslo's article quoted Gillibrand as saying, "So if there are SAPs out there that are somehow outside of the normal chain of command and outside the normal appropriations process, they have to divulge that to Congress." She also said, "We need to just look into whether there are rogue SAP programs that no one is providing oversight for.  The goal for me will be to have a hearing on that at some point so that we can assess if these SAPs actually exist.”

Gillibrand has already met with success in the SSCI, although the details are not yet public. On June 14, SSCI Chairman Senator Mark Warner (D-Va.) and ranking minority member Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fl.) issued a release announcing that the SSCI had approved the FY 2024 Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) in a closed-door session earlier that day. A summary describing provisions of the bill included this bullet point: "Increases transparency by strengthening Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) funding and reporting requirements." This referred to UAP language offered in the committee by Gillibrand, co-sponsored by Senators Michael Rounds (R-SD), John Cornyn (R-Tx.), and Rubio. Her proposal was adopted by the 17-member committee without dissent, after which the bill was approved unanimously. The language of the amendment will not be made public until the committee-approved bill is officially filed and given a bill number.

The NDAA sets policy and authorizes programs for most components of the military. The IAA sets policy for the Intelligence Community, which involves 18 agencies, both military and civilian. (Neither bill actually provides funding, which is initiated through the Defense Subcommittee of the Appropriations Committee.) Congress passes an NDAA every year. In many years, the IAA is folded into the NDAA at a late stage in the legislative process, prior to final congressional approval.

GRUSCH ALLEGATIONS BACKDROP FOR NEW PROPOSALS

Gillibrand's new UAP initiative comes in the wake of reporting about and statements by David Grusch, a level GS-15 (colonel equivalent) intelligence officer who recently retired from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). According to a report that appeared on the website The Debrief on June 5, written by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, Grusch, while assigned to the interagency UAP Task Force, received classified information from multiple sources affirming the existence of a longstanding, highly secret program engaged in attempted reverse-engineering of devices and materials of non-human origin. According to the Debrief article and other sources, Grusch initially reported his findings to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense in July 2021, which allegedly somehow triggered various reprisals against him. The perpetrators of the alleged reprisals have not been publicly identified.

In May 2022, Grusch submitted a whistleblower complaint to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (ICIG), containing allegations of illegality of types defined by statute as of "urgent concern," allegations which the ICIG subsequently deemed to be "credible." Under the applicable statute, such findings triggered notifications to the congressional intelligence committees, both Senate and House. Staff persons to those two committees subsequently conducted extensive interviews under oath with Grusch regarding his allegations. It appears that investigations into Grusch's disclosures by both the ICIG and the Inspector General of the Defense Department are ongoing.

As part of last year's National Defense Authorization Act, enacted in December 2022, Congress mandated establishment of a "secure system" by which anyone involved in a past or current UAP or alien-tech research program may file reports with the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), the Pentagon office created by Congress to delve into UAP-related matters. Under this new law, anyone utilizing this "secure system" to disclose UAP-related information will not be violating classification laws or non-disclosure agreements, and will enjoy legal protection from any reprisals from the government or government contractors.

The 2022 law also states that the Secretary of Defense must report to designated key lawmakers within 72 hours if he determines that "an authorized disclosure [under the new system] relates to" a previously unreported UAP-related special-access program. However, Grusch employed a longstanding whistleblower law, rather than the new AARO-based system, which was enacted after he initiated his actions with the inspectors general.

Within hours of The Debrief's initial report on Grusch's claims on June 5, Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough issued this statement: "To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. AARO is committed to following the data and its investigation wherever it leads. AARO, working with the Office of the General Counsel and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, has established a safe and secure process for individuals to come forward with information to aid AARO in its congressionally-mandated historical review. AARO’s historical review of records and testimonies is ongoing and due to Congress by June 2024.  AARO welcomes the opportunity to speak with any former or current government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant to the historical review."

In an interview with journalist Ross Coulthart, broadcast by News Nation on June 11, Grusch said, "Well, I know [AARO Director] Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. I've known him about eight years. And, you know, I expressed some concerns to Dr. Kirkpatrick about a year ago, and told him what I was starting to uncover. And he didn't follow up with me. He has my phone number. He could have called me. I hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make the same investigative discoveries I did. It's totally crazy if he doesn't."

"The allegations themselves are breathtaking," Senator Brian Schatz (D-Hi.), a member of the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, told WIRED's Laslo. "It could be a game changer, or it could be a crank."

POTENTIAL CONGRESSIONAL HEARING(S)

Senator Gillibrand chairs the Emerging Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee of the Armed Services Committee. In her remarks to Laslo of WIRED, she said she wanted to "have a hearing at some point so that we can assess if these SAPs actually exist." Asked by Laslo whether she thought there was veracity to Grusch's claims, Gillibrand said "I have no idea. So I'm going to do the work and analyze it and figure it out."

Gillibrand has already chaired one public UAP-related hearing in the subcommittee, on April 19, at which AARO Director Kirkpatrick was the sole witness. During that hearing, Kirkpatrick said, "I should also state clearly for the record that in our research AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics. In the event sufficient scientific data were ever obtained that a UAP encountered can only be explained by extraterrestrial origin, we are committed to working with our interagency partners at NASA to appropriately inform U.S. government's leadership of its findings."

A provision of the law establishing AARO reads as follows:  "50 U.S.C. Sec. 3373(f)(1)(A): Availability of data: The Director of National Intelligence, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, shall ensure that each element of the intelligence community with data relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena makes such data available immediately to the Office" [i.e., AARO].

In the House of Representatives, Congressmen Michael Turner (R-Ohio) and Jim Himes (D-Ct.), who are respectively the chairman and ranking minority member on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), made generalized dismissive comments about the possibility of the government possessing secret alien technology, in a brief joint interview with Fox News on June 6. They have said little if anything publicly on the matter since then.

On the same day, Congressman James Comer (R-Ky.), chairman of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, told News Nation that he had tasked two members of that committee, Reps. Tim Burchett (R-Tn.) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fl.), to put together a public hearing on the subject. In an interview with Frank Camp published on DailyWire.com on June 17, 2023, Burchett said that he was hoping that Grusch would be able to testify at the hearing: "We would like to get him there. It’s premature to say who we will have there. We’ll release that when we get the okay from the committee chair of everybody that we’ve invited who’s been cleared to come speak...I want to talk to people who have seen something and can provide some proof of what’s going on."

No timetable has been announced for the House Oversight Committee hearing. Nor is it clear how soon the full Senate might take up the committee-approved NDAA and IAA, with their UAP-related provisions.


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"The goal for me will be to have a hearing on that at some point so that we can assess if these SAPs actually exist."– Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), chair, Emerging Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee, U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee (quoted in WIRED, June 13, 2023).

Senate committees advancing new language seeking possible secret UFO-tech programs

I wonder if deep down under all the secrecy, this could just be a case of good ol' fashioned financial fraud? Such as Rogue SAP folks misappropriating black budget money, while useful idiots provide a smokescreen of (im)plausible deniability? As always, follow the money. Good luck, Kirsten. Access Denied!


RE: Some more UFO stuff - A51Watcher2 - 06-23-2023




RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-23-2023

You can skip to the 3:19 mark and miss the ad for War Thunder. Anyone with a casual interest in the Roswell event will be familiar with much of what is presented. I have always thought the testimony by Jesse Marcel who actually handled the material and knew the press conference he was forced to participate in was a total lie due to direct orders from General Ramey. Then in typical Why File format some of the details are discussed yet when you think it is all Airfarce B.S. there is a kicker.. Enjoy


Quote:It was a sunny afternoon on June 24th, 1947, and Kenneth Arnold was flying his small aircraft over Mineral, Washington. He was heading to Yakima but took a slight detour to look for a lost US Marine Corps plane. If he could find it, he’d collect a nice reward.

Flying near Mount Rainier, he spotted a shiny object in his plane's mirror. Then, he saw multiple flashes of light. It looked like a group of aircraft, flying in formation. But something was wrong - these 'aircraft' didn't have tails. And they were flying faster than anything he’d ever seen. After about two minutes, the objects vanished near Mount Adams.

When Kenneth landed in Yakima, he immediately told his friends and airport staff about his bizarre experience. By the time he reached Pendleton, Oregon, his story had spread. Reporters were eager to hear it.

In describing the odd movement of these objects, Kenneth said it was like a teacup saucer skipping across a lake. At that moment, the term “flying saucer” was born.

And over the next two weeks, events would unfold that would affect every person on Earth. And change the course of history.





RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-23-2023

Interview on New Thinking Allowed with Robert Bigelow, in which he shares a bit of info (but not too much) about his early interest in the paranormal and the origins of NIDS.



00:00 Introduction
02:56 Growing up
22:18 The space program
25:07 Private research
31:49 Apartment business
36:08 NIDS
47:01 Bigelow Aerospace
52:23 Paranormal experiences
01:08:51 Conclusion

He mentions Art Bell's "Area 2000" radio show. Here's some episodes from 1993.


RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-24-2023

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https://twitter.com/isaackoi/status/1672525762446934017


Quote:If you can’t find the truth out there, you might find it on the internet.

The UFO-logist who goes by the pseudonym Isaac Koi (he is a lawyer with a reputation to think about, after all) runs a database Mulder and Scully would be jealous of. Now discussion forum AboveTopSecret is crawling with transcriptions of over 50,000 YouTube videos — which is kind of a big deal since most accounts of alien sightings and encounters are usually confined to audio — and podcast episodes that Koi has catalogued. That’s about 2 million pages of everything from tall greys to glowing orbs.

The searchable database Koi posted to AboveTopSecret makes it that much easier for the alien-obsessed to search for specific paranormal phenomena. Koi, who used to work with Sweden’s Archives for the Unexplained and over a hundred other groups and researchers dedicated to UFOs, created this cosmic labyrinth with several publicly available transcription tools. These autonomously keep compiling transcriptions of video and audio recordings. Alien enthusiasts can use the timestamps and keywords in each episode to hunt for particular topics, even if the translation from voice to page has some glitches. Transcripts are also downloadable.

Whether or not you believe, see the entire galaxy of transcripts for yourself right
here.

UFO database with over 2 million pages of X-files

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Take Jenny for a Ride

He has the largest UFO archive I've ever seen.


RE: Some more UFO stuff - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-25-2023

CONGRESS UPDATE: The Senate Intelligence Committee has unanimously approved a bill to require those holding "non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" to make it available to AARO within 6 months. And that's not all.


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Quote:The new UAP/UFO provisions are being publicly reported in detail in this article for the first time anywhere.

The new UAP provisions are part of the Fiscal Year 2024 Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA, S. 2103), which was approved unanimously by the Senate Intelligence committee in a closed-door session on June 14.  On June 21 I reported on the committee's action, but the text of the UAP amendment was not yet publicly available at that time. The committee formally filed the bill and it was assigned its number on June 22; it was posted on the Internet early on June 24.

The new UAP language (found in Section 1104 of the bill) would require "any person currently or formerly under contract with the Federal Government that has in their possession material or information provided by or derived from the Federal Government relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena that formerly or currently is protected by any form of special access or restricted access" to notify the director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) within 60 days of enactment, and to provide within 180 days (six months) "a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" possessed and to make it available to the AARO director for "assessment, analysis, and inspection."

AARO is the Pentagon office established by Congress to conduct investigations of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), and to collect information on current and past federal government activity pertaining to UAP.

The legislation also would require the AARO director to notify designated congressional committees and leaders within 30 days after receiving any such notifications, information, or exotic materials.

The "safe harbor" language might be read to imply that a private entity that obtained non-human technology from the government, and then held on to that material outside of the standard mechanisms for democratic oversight, perhaps profiting from it in some manner, might be in a legally tenuous position. If so, then such an amnesty period might smooth the way for timely and orderly disclosure. This reading of the provision is speculative; the committee has not yet published any explanatory material on the language.

Section 1104 of S. 2103 does not create any new criminal offenses. Neither does it confer any immunity for threats or acts of violence, perjury, or other crimes of the sorts sometimes alleged in stories about purported hidden government UFO programs.

A PDF file of the UAP-related section of the bill (Sec. 1104) is embedded immediately below this paragraph. Images of the seven UAP-related pages are inserted at the bottom of this article.

INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE "NOTIFICATION" LANGUAGE IS BACKED UP BY SWEEPING FUNDING BAN FOR NON-COMPLIANCE

Besides the notification and make-available requirements for UAP-related information and hardware, S. 2103 contains a sweeping prohibition on any future direct or indirect funding for any special-access program (SAP) activity related to unidentified anomalous phenomena (as that term is broadly defined in current law--see the box below), unless the program has been "formally, officially, explicitly, and specifically described, explained, and justified to the appropriate committees of Congress, congressional leadership, and the Director [of AARO]."

"Special access program" (SAP) refers to classified programs run by the military or certain other agencies, to which access is restricted to lists of specific persons, determined on a "need to know" basis. Within the Intelligence Community, a comparable program is referred to as a "controlled access program" (CAP). There are several different categories of SAP/CAPs, some more secret than others--but under statutes beefed up in recent years, every type of SAP/CAP is supposed to be reported to least a small number of designated members of Congress.


Six Months to Fess Up

I've been summoned back to active duty to go hide this exotic stuff from the congress critters.

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RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-25-2023

Citizen hearing



RE: Some more UFO stuff - A51Watcher2 - 06-26-2023

https://www.weaponizedpodcast.com/news-1/new-ufo-legislation


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RE: Some more UFO stuff - 727Sky - 06-30-2023




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RE: Some more UFO stuff - A51Watcher2 - 07-01-2023

The Black Vault weighs in -