(10-22-2023, 04:16 AM)Grace Wrote:(10-22-2023, 03:28 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Like my reply to Ninurta I use proportionality because it's the buzzword I see everywhere. If we are going to change minds we need to approach the discussion atleast acknowledging their concerns.
Fully aware "war is hell" I was bothered by the brutality of the "Highway of Death" too but it didn't mean I didn't understand the reasons for doing the job so thoroughly.
Israel is faced with an infinitely more immediate and dangerous threat.
That said I just don't want to see this escalate and Im aware that's exactly what Hamas and other Arab factions want.
Myself personally I liked some of the thoughts that Ramaswamy has actually, coming from an American standpoint. Did you catch his interview with Tucker?
I just watched this from your link...
I agree Israel must have clear goals, of course, some will say they do, as they have stated it's the complete elimination of Hamas. Could have sworn I saw a minor protest of the Palestinian President calling for him to resign, but it's no doubt been squashed or drowned out from all that is occurring.
it is simple...
#1 Release the hostages if not all the hostages damn well certain the civilian ones
#2 Stop all missile and rocket attacks from Gaza
#3 Stop attacks inside and outside greater Israel
#4 Turnover the leaders of Hamas, and those who did the drug-crazed siege of southern Israel
We know thats not going to happen Hamas still thinks they can negotiate the release of some of their prisoners
but otherwise, Israel leaves itself open to more attacks and more attacks and it's better to nip that in the bud than to face it over and over. Again at the very least.
I also know whenever Biden whispers something, it's even more complete bullshit than his normal BS. We were already running low on certain arms and munitions from Ukraine. FWIW that could have emboldened Hamas a little bit in itself as it tries to get more of the Arab world directly involved
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-769567
Obviously, the PTB in Israel is doing this to avoid any more civilian deaths or kidnappings, rightfully so
Quote:BREAKING NEWS
14 northern Israel communities to be evacuated
An additional 14 communities in northern Israel were added to the state-funded evacuation plan by the IDF and the National Emergency Management Authority (NEMA), according to a joint statement from the Defense Ministry and the IDF.
The communities that are being evacuated are Snir, Dan, Beit Hillel, She'ar Yashuv, Hagoshrim, Liman, Matzuva, Eylon, Goren, Granot Hagalil, Even Menachem, Sasa, Tzivon, and Ramot Naftali.