(10-13-2023, 03:03 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: Fast forward to the modern day when Britain became the ruler of all lands, in their own minds at least, and saw the Otterman empire as a very necessary land to strategically take over, so they could remain supreme.
The splitting of Palestine with the Arabs was never a simple kind gesture. It was a ruse, a lie, and a deal made with France and several other countries to set themselves up as behind the curtain rulers of the land and to control the oil.
They always knew that their plan was going to blow up, it just took longer than they thought, and they had a few surprises and backfires along the way. backfires along the way.
That's true, and it didn't hurt their case that the Ottomans were greedy little land grabbers (other folks lands, again, like Eastern Europe) themselves. Adding to that, the Ottomans sided with Germany during WWI, and as it turned out, that was the wrong horse to pick in that race.
France was administering the northern half of Allahland, and Britain was administering the southern half of it. Britain and France had also had a history of bad blood between them, but eventually found some common ground in the Middle East because there was a common enemy entrenched there. So they cut some deals, administered for a while, then set up a deal they thought they could live with. In the process, the created entire new countries everywhere and imposed those new boundaries on the Arabs, Turks, Persians, etc.
As a matter of fact, they did that crap all the way over to Afghanistan and India, and to this very day there are Pakistanis and Indians still ticked off about the artificial lines drawn by the British in that area. In eastern Pakistan and western India especially, because an artificial line separate the same population in that area. I think the Pakistanis call it the Balfour Line, but I'm not sure of that name.
This is why we still have strife and friction in that area as well, to this day, with India and Pakistan not getting along, and aiming nukes at one another, and with Pakistanis and Afghans sending support to Kashmir Muslims in a bid to take that area from India by force of arms in a little Muslim proxy war ongoing there.
It's also how the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan came to be, and how the House of Saud took over in Saudi Arabia (formerly just plain old Arabia) - that's where the tale of Lawrence of Arabia comes in.
In the long run, that involvement might have been good thing, on the balance of things. Had they not done that, we might have seen a new caliphate a lot sooner, and had they not been set one against the other like that, they might have found common cause to expand outward. Again.
It was the Ottomans that expanded into Eastern Europe, only getting stopped at Viennna. That's why we had the "ethinc cleansing" in the Balkans a while back .It boiled down really to Christian Serbs warring against Muslim Bosniaks in a contest to see who would take over the Balkans after the collapse of communism there.
The bunch that took over Spain was a different bunch of Muslims from a rival North African caliphate. They tried to expand eastward through Europe, but got jerked up short at Tours by Charles Martel and his crew of cutthroats.
Muslims seem to have a habit of taking over other folks' land and holding it for a while before the natives get too restless and then boot them out again. Then the Muslims get all indignant and try to retake "their" land back, which was never really theirs to begin with. We see that in Israel now, and will soon see it in Europe again as well. That is likely the reason for the build up of military age male "refugees" we are seeing happen in Europe currently. They want "al-Andalus" (Spain) back, and the want France back too. With that base, they can once again have a go at expanding outwards... and Charles Martel might not be around to stop them this time.
They've also got a beachhead population in Sweden now, so look for more trouble there as they try to expand. Poland is having none of it, and are not taking on "refugees", much to the chagrin and consternation of the EU. Same for Hungary. Both of those countries still recall how hard they had to fight against the Muslims last time they tried to be nice to them.
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