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The Tucker Putin interview - 727Sky - 02-09-2024
https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/
RE: The Yucker Putin interview - Bally002 - 02-09-2024
(02-09-2024, 06:20 AM)727Sky Wrote: https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/
Okay, I'll bite
. Why do you call it the "Yucker Putin Interview"?Just curious,
Kind regards,
Bally)
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - 727Sky - 02-09-2024
Yucker came from the Y being next to the T key on my key board and me not wearing glasses...so thanks for bringing my attention to my old man blind error. !!
Putin has always been a good speaker and on somethings makes much sense yet he has his own agenda... Stop supplying weapons to Ukraine and the war will end in a few weeks or months..Sure it would with the Russian boot on everyone's throat in Ukraine.
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Bally002 - 02-09-2024
(02-09-2024, 08:47 AM)727Sky Wrote: Yucker came from the Y being next to the T key on my key board and me not wearing glasses...so thanks for bringing my attention to my old man blind error. !!
Putin has always been a good speaker and on somethings makes much sense yet he has his own agenda... Stop supplying weapons to Ukraine and the war will end in a few weeks or months..Sure it would with the Russian boot on everyone's throat in Ukraine.
I suffer the same mistooks but I put it down to 'sausage fingers'
Cheers,
Regards,
Bally)
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Ninurta - 02-09-2024
An alternate source for the video, Youtube:
And, for Russian speakers and CIA analysts, the same video, but with the view from the Kremlin:
It's propaganda of course, but as I've often said before, the very best propaganda is firmly rooted in fact and "truth".
In this case, most of the video is very, VERY firmly anchored in fact. Between 40 and 50 years ago, I embarked upon a self-education journey into Russian history and culture as a part of a self-imposed "know your enemy" program. Instead of relying on CIA "Fact Books" or official US government pronouncements on the issues, I thought it might be a better idea, if one was to gain a better understanding of his enemy, to gather the "facts" from the viewpoint of the Russians, It's one thing to know what someone's enemies have to say about them, and another thing altogether to know what they say about themselves, how they view themselves and their "causes". One gives a distorted view from the outside, the other a perhaps distorted view from the inside. I considered that it would be more valuable, from the standpoint of understanding one's enemy, to be able to get inside their own heads, to be able to evaluate and incorporate how they see themselves into any plan of action regarding them.
So, to that end, I gathered information from Russian sources, including "The Great Soviet Encyclopedia" and Russian expats as well as refugees from surrounding Soviet-influences countries, such as Poland, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, etc. I was blessed in that endeavor by having actual contacts in those communities, having been raised among a melting pot of first and second generation eastern Europeans in northeastern Ohio until I was around 14.
The view I got of Russian history from those sources, including the refugees from Warsaw Pact satellite states of Russia, matches perfectly with Putin's assessment in the first 30 minutes or so of the video of Russian history.
That is why I said in the beginning of the Ukrainian war, and still say, that this amounts to an internal civil war that the US has no business poking it's nose into. The Ukraine has been a part of Russia, almost non-stop, since there has even BEEN a Russia.
In the Soviet Union, and perhaps even still now, Russia had a system of internal passports called "Voyennyy bilets". They were little red identity paper booklets similar to external passports that most nations have, giving a person's life story for ID purposes which the Russians used for things like internal travel and personal identity. In Afghanistan, they were routinely taken from the bodies of dead Russians as part of intelligence gathering. Some of them specified the soldiers were from the Ukrainian "CCP" ("SSR" in English, "Soviet Socialist Republic") which was the Soviet Union's version of American states. So, if Texans or Minnessotans can be thought of as ":Americans", then Ukrainians are also "Russians" in the same sense.
So, to my thinking, this Ukrainian war is just another civil war, an internal Russian matter to resolve, none of our business. That is based upon my own take on Russian history, which is in agreement in most particulars with Putin's assessment of Russian history as gathered from primaries actually involved at some point in the area, otherwise known as "natives".
I mean, if you wanted to know about American history, would you ask an American, or a KGB agent? Would you ask an American, or someone from the CCP in China? I just applied that principle to my - at the time - enemies.
That principle has not changed. it's just one of those timeless things.
So, for an American to understand the situation in the Ukraine, I personally think it would be wise to put yourself in their shoes, see what it would look like on the other foot.
Let's say the United States collapsed (as it appears to be headed for anyhow), and the states devolved into separate "republics" as happened in Russia by and large during the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. How do you suppose "Americans" would feel if the Chinese CCP, for instance, started making a pass at The Republic of Texas or The Republic of Florida (logical, since they already have a foothold in Mexico and Cuba, and most of the Caribbean) INSIDE what was "American" territory for almost 300 years? Do you suppose the other American republics that were formerly a part of the United States would just sit on their hands and say "oh well - that's just the way the world works now!"? Somehow, I have my doubts... but that is exactly the position Russia is in regarding the Ukraine.
I differ with Putin, however, in his assessment of the matter of China. During Soviet days, and even before (and even AFTER, until very recently), Russia had had a "tense" relationship with an expansionist China, especially along the Russo-Chinese border he mentions. They've not always been as cozy as they are now like he suggests. Furthermore, the CCP is far more militant than he suggests in their expansionist aims - one need look no further than their intimidation operations in the South China Sea for confirmation of their intent and expansionist aims. he kinda glossed right over that uncomfortable fact.
The current Russian love affair with the CCP is OUR fault. We forced Russia into bed with the CCP, just pimped them right out to China for unfathomable (to me) reasons. WE created that monster, probably out of fear and ignorance.
During and immediately after the 1991 collapse, we had a golden opportunity to make a new friend out of Russia, and create an unbeatable alliance. I argued for that at the time, and was summarily ignored. My reasoning then was that formidable enemies can make equally formidable allies, if gifts handed to you are played right. Unfortunately, they were not played right then, and have not been played right ever since.
My best guess is that the little men behind the curtain, who then just as now actually pulled the lever and ran things, panicked when the Soviet Union collapsed. They no longer had a boogey man to use in rallying the US opinion, and diverting American attention from what they were doing behind that curtain. In their panic, they continued to target Russia as if it were still the enemy the Soviet Union was instead of making peace overtures that could have led to better things. We could have had a hand in forming today's Russia by assisting them during their time of need, but instead we completely fumbled that ball in our panicky state.
Flash forward a few decades, and here we are, STILL making the wrong calls in regards to Russia, and driving them straight into the arms of the Chinese CCP.
We have no one to blame there but ourselves... and still, we keep stumbling in the dark. I firmly believe we will do so until we stumble right off a cliff - the edge of it gets closer every minute as we stumble along.
We are our own worst enemy. Those panicky elements in our own government are far more dangerous to us, and to American freedoms, than any Russian has ever been, or can ever be.
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RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Ninurta - 02-09-2024
This song exemplifies the mood almost everywhere during and in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. ALMOST everywhere. Everywhere except behind those curtains hiding the levers of power in the US government. it's a cryin' shame.
Those little men behind that curtain had no interest in riding the winds of change - their interest was instead in maintaining the status quo. They felt like their own grasp on power might depend on it... and maybe it did. They're still there, now aren't they?
===========================================================================
Personal note: I got so goddamned weary of fighting Russians. We'd been in a "Cold War" with them - one that got surprisingly hot at times - since before I was born. My Dear Old Dad had been a soldier in that same war, in the Korean War era, as a border guard in the 15th Constabulary Squadron on the border of Germany and Czechoslovakia at the beginning of the 1950's, facing down Russian soldiers patrolling the other side of that border in his day. They used to come at night and move concrete border markers a few yards into Germany, and the Americans would then come along and move them right back, trying to take a few more yards of Czechoslovakia. Sometimes, that engendered some tense confrontations when they were both on the same spot of Earth at the same time.
There was a guy in his unit, a second generation Russian refugee, who could speak Russian. They'd trade insults and other conversation across the border in the dark some times.
When the Cold War got hot, as it did at times, it splattered blood and intestines and other body parts all over the place, Russian blood, guts, and meat mingled with that of innocent bystanders in the same state... hell, you'd get an understanding that folks are surprisingly similar once you disassembled them. It was just plain tragic some times.
Still, you HAD to keep on fighting as long as that enemy was still a threat. It was madness to keep fighting them when they weren't any more.
I didn't, and still don't, understand how anyone could be knee deep in that gore and not jump at a chance for peace with victory when it presented itself. And we could have. The only hold-back was the little men pulling the levers had never actually been knee deep in it themselves. Instead, they'd been rolling and wallowing in the mud and filth generated by their own power, like so many War Pigs, and did not want that to change, didn't want to take a chance on losing their power... so they didn't. They just kept grinding along, business as usual, to maintain it. To hell with how many lives of OTHER folks they might throw away. What the hell did they care? It wasn't THEIR blood and intestines getting splattered around.
So, they just kept on fighting an enemy that no longer existed, creating another one in it's place of the same people... unnecessarily.
There will always be an enemy to fight. It's just the way of humans. The trick is to choose that enemy wisely.
They failed, in my opinion.
.
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Grace - 02-11-2024
He's not saying anything that isn't true...
Propaganda? Is the truth propaganda?
I guess it is these days... Lol
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Ninurta - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 01:06 AM)Grace Wrote: He's not saying anything that isn't true...
Propaganda? Is the truth propaganda?
I guess it is these days... Lol
Yes, Truth can be propaganda. As a matter of fact, the very best propaganda IS truth, because Truth cannot be assailed or countered.
Propaganda is only information (or, in bad cases, mis- or dis-information) that is put out there to sway opinions. So much the better if it is also true, because no one can counter that and make it false.
"Propaganda" has gotten a bad rap as being "false" or "lies", when that is not the case. it's just information, either true OR false, that is packaged to influence opinions. It got that reputation during the Cold War, when almost all Communist propaganda was lies... and people in non-communist countries stopped noticing that they were being subjected to propaganda as well, because "Western" propaganda was usually true, and could not be falsified, so folks concentrated on the false propaganda and stopped noticing the true propaganda.
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RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Snarl - 02-11-2024
(02-09-2024, 10:53 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Furthermore, the CCP is far more militant than he suggests in their expansionist aims - one need look no further than their intimidation operations in the South China Sea for confirmation of their intent and expansionist aims. He kinda glossed right over that uncomfortable fact.
I caught that immediately. I was almost shocked Tucker didn't make a point of it.
I also always knew Putin would need a land bridge to The Crimea.
I think I'm an hour and 20 minutes into the interview. Not really interested in watching the end of it. Am I missing anything good?
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - 727Sky - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 08:15 PM)Snarl Wrote:The meat of the interview after the history lesson was the last 30 minutes IMO. Putin controlled the interview very well and had Tucker cowed more than I have ever seen him with any interview.(02-09-2024, 10:53 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Furthermore, the CCP is far more militant than he suggests in their expansionist aims - one need look no further than their intimidation operations in the South China Sea for confirmation of their intent and expansionist aims. He kinda glossed right over that uncomfortable fact.
I caught that immediately. I was almost shocked Tucker didn't make a point of it.
I also always knew Putin would need a land bridge to The Crimea.
I think I'm an hour and 20 minutes into the interview. Not really interested in watching the end of it. Am I missing anything good?
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - 727Sky - 02-13-2024
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Snarl - 02-13-2024
Saw that last night. I don't think Carlson like being interviewed by that guy so much. He _was_ pretty good at fending him off and wasting the interviewer's time though.
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - SomeJackleg - 02-13-2024
(02-11-2024, 10:02 PM)727Sky Wrote: Putin controlled the interview very well and had Tucker cowed more than I have ever seen him with any interview.
Carlson was probably given a list of questions to ask, told not to deviate from the script or he would wind up being the new journalist bargaining chip for a prisoner exchange.
mr fartin ain't gonna answers any questions he hasn't already seen.
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - 727Sky - 02-28-2024
for those who can not view the full transcript can be found here...https://youtube.com/watch?v=f_lRdkH_QoY&t=0
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbnFpeVFmZ3ZzSHM2dWppYTcwLW1ZVUdUTi1HQXxBQ3Jtc0trNTFsZTJ3UnY2M1dYcHRwUVpQTkEwTjhESDJPWDdFTlVhb2M3VkRTYkhoRFJQQTVtMDRidEpoT2RJZVFCTnVaS3c3dnc2UDg3NzZHSVFPRW1JcVQwMWYxME56NUNMb0NCMFRxNDJFS2tRdkkwREtmdw&q=https%3A%2F%2Flexfridman.com%2Ftucker-carlson-transcript&v=f_lRdkH_QoY
RE: The Tucker Putin interview - Bally002 - 02-28-2024
(02-09-2024, 11:49 PM)Ninurta Wrote: This song exemplifies the mood almost everywhere during and in the immediate aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. ALMOST everywhere. Everywhere except behind those curtains hiding the levers of power in the US government. it's a cryin' shame.
Those little men behind that curtain had no interest in riding the winds of change - their interest was instead in maintaining the status quo. They felt like their own grasp on power might depend on it... and maybe it did. They're still there, now aren't they?
===========================================================================
Personal note: I got so goddamned weary of fighting Russians. We'd been in a "Cold War" with them - one that got surprisingly hot at times - since before I was born. My Dear Old Dad had been a soldier in that same war, in the Korean War era, as a border guard in the 15th Constabulary Squadron on the border of Germany and Czechoslovakia at the beginning of the 1950's, facing down Russian soldiers patrolling the other side of that border in his day. They used to come at night and move concrete border markers a few yards into Germany, and the Americans would then come along and move them right back, trying to take a few more yards of Czechoslovakia. Sometimes, that engendered some tense confrontations when they were both on the same spot of Earth at the same time.
There was a guy in his unit, a second generation Russian refugee, who could speak Russian. They'd trade insults and other conversation across the border in the dark some times.
When the Cold War got hot, as it did at times, it splattered blood and intestines and other body parts all over the place, Russian blood, guts, and meat mingled with that of innocent bystanders in the same state... hell, you'd get an understanding that folks are surprisingly similar once you disassembled them. It was just plain tragic some times.
Still, you HAD to keep on fighting as long as that enemy was still a threat. It was madness to keep fighting them when they weren't any more.
I didn't, and still don't, understand how anyone could be knee deep in that gore and not jump at a chance for peace with victory when it presented itself. And we could have. The only hold-back was the little men pulling the levers had never actually been knee deep in it themselves. Instead, they'd been rolling and wallowing in the mud and filth generated by their own power, like so many War Pigs, and did not want that to change, didn't want to take a chance on losing their power... so they didn't. They just kept grinding along, business as usual, to maintain it. To hell with how many lives of OTHER folks they might throw away. What the hell did they care? It wasn't THEIR blood and intestines getting splattered around.
So, they just kept on fighting an enemy that no longer existed, creating another one in it's place of the same people... unnecessarily.
There will always be an enemy to fight. It's just the way of humans. The trick is to choose that enemy wisely.
They failed, in my opinion.
Strewth mate. Long write up. But, I won't chuck/throw a Frag Grenade under the bed to eliminate the slimy Boogey man.
I like our bed. It's comfortable.
But mess with it?
Kind regards,
Bally)